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The Moderate Forum A place for all moderates, and liberals, to post links, discuss current events, and just sit and have a coffee. Also, this is not the place for Bush fans to come and attack all Democrats. There are many other groups where you can rant to your heart's content. May 2004 ******** Well, I think the Moderate Forum has evolved over time. I originally was open to most viewpoints, but then we had people trolling here and just writing trash and insults. So, I excluded most of the hard core right. My thoughts now are that it is mainly for liberals, progressives, moderates. I don't mind some other viewpoints, as long as everyone behaves, and stays away from the name calling. That goes for liberals also - and moderates - in here at least. Most of the time, pretty much anything goes, as long as right leaning people don't try to dominate posts here, and we don't have the constant insults and name-calling. tsigprofit Quotes "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~ George Washington "The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?" ~ Pablo Casals "Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!" ~ Albert Einstein "When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, Journals, 1824 "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." ~ Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief "The highest patriotism is not a blind acceptance of official policy, but a love of one's country deep enough to call her to a higher plain." ~ George McGovern "The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair." ~ H. L. Mencken "Socrates said he was not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world." ~ Plutarch, On Banishment "To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography." ~ George Santayana "A man's feet must be planted in his country, but his eyes should survey the world." ~ George Santayana ************************************************** LINKS: New - WMDgate - and Bush lies: Message 19039270 John Dean - Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction: Is Lying About The Reason For War An Impeachable Offense? And - is this worse than Watergate? Also includes all Bush statements of fact prior to Iraq war: writ.news.findlaw.com and Message 19013001 George W. Bush Resume: Message 18929920 Bush / Enron Connection: Message 18930182 Bush Dismal Economic Performance: academycomputerservice.com Bush and Salem bin Laden ties (Salem is brother to Osama): Message 19523245 americanfreepress.net ***************************************** Take 5-10 minutes to honor President Bush this holiday season: kaicurry.com What is your favorite combo? I think mine is: * Bush in prison uniform * Hit lie button * have him choke on a pretzel while telling the fib Vote for your favorite combo today! **************************************** Matthew 25 on W. Bush - you make the call *** 25:35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 25:36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' 25:37 Then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 25:38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 25:39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' 25:40 And the king will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.' 25:41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 25:42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 25:43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 25:44 Then they also will answer, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?' 25:45 Then he will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." ************ One US soldier's report on Iraq - series of 4 posts *** Excellent information Message 20022943 | ||||||||||||
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