To: Brumar89 who wrote ( 82712) 11/17/2019 8:45:10 AM From: Brumar89 Respond to of 83048 Does Greta Thunberg’s Lifestyle Equal Climate Denial? One Climate Scientist Seems To Suggest So. charles the moderator It’s been entertaining watching activists on Twitter arrange their circular firing squads~ctm From Forbes Nives Dolsak and Aseem Prakash Green Tech We write on environmental issues, climate politics and NGOs. The climate debate has taken a nasty turn. It is no longer a shouting match between climate affirmers and climate deniers. Now the finger-wagging is taking place among climate affirmers on the subject of personal responsibility for combating climate change. There are two key actors in this unfolding saga. One embraces the importance of individual responsibility while the other derides it. Greta Thunberg, the new climate icon, does not fly. She is a vegan and subscribes to the stop-shop philosophy, which means that In a “you don’t buy new things, consume new things, unless you absolutely have to.” recent interview, Greta said, “I want to walk the talk, and to practice as I preach. So that is what I’m trying to do.” In contrast, Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist, suggests that any talk of behavioral changes and personal responsibility reflects a soft form of climate denial. Although he did not mention Greta by name, he said: “First of all, there is an attempt being made by them to deflect attention away from finding policy solutions to global warming towards promoting individual behaviour changes that affect people’s diets, travel choices and other personal behaviour…. This approach is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious.” Thunberg v. Mann is now the debate to watch! Mann’s thesis: The case against personal responsibility Climate change is a complex problem because it involves moving away from the basic pillar of the modern industrial economy: fossil fuels. The shift requires that governments enact new climate laws and build a renewable energy infrastructure. Because these are massive, system-wide changes, individual-level actions to become climate virtuous will not suffice. We can buy electric cars, but without charging stations, they are quite useless. And a national network of charging stations can be provided only by the government. But, as per Mann’s thesis, individual-level actions delay the transition because they allow the fossil fuel industry to blame consumers for the climate crisis. The industry will claim that they are in business because people like their modern lifestyles. For example, people like driving cars: there are over a billion cars in the world today. And as the recent International Energy Agency’s report shows, consumers seem to want bigger and less fuel-efficient cars. Contrary to the industry claim, the Mann thesis would suggest that people drive cars because governments do not invest in mass transit. People are trapped in their behaviors because of bad public policies, not personal choices. Thunberg’s thesis: The case for personal responsibility Climate change is a symptom of overconsumption. If we want to address the climate crisis, we need to demand policy action and change our consumption habits. This is why Greta, the climate activist, does not fly, is a vegan, and adopts a stop-shop philosophy. But the Greta approach is sending a more profound message: policy advocacy is effective if one walks the climate talk. This is especially relevant for climate scientists who know the seriousness of the climate crisis. Across universities, there is widespread support for Climate Strikes and the Extinction Rebellion. The issue then is how have universities changed their work habits. Have they put themselves on a strict carbon diet? This guy is absolutely right- it IS a theological debate: Rocketscientist November 16, 2019 at 8:35 pm Oh, for goodness sake this is a theological debate on which is the correct stance for proper climate obeisance. This is a fundamentalist fight over orthodoxy. One can only hope its gets worse. Let them eat their own, as only they can stomach the taste. Get out the popcorn, and have a seat. I say let the fur fly and may no alarmist be left standing. Eric Worrall November 16, 2019 at 7:59 pm Mann’s view will prevail, hypocrisy beats altruism, especially when that altruism is tainted by ignorance. I suspect we’ve all seen peak Greta. nicholas tesdorf November 16, 2019 at 8:21 pm As often happens, we can now enjoy the sight of the enemy fighting amongst itself and, for a while, leaving us all in peace.