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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (219937)	9/16/2007 4:37:07 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 791595

I thought some of those guys were going to have an anxiety attacks while they were reading it. I got that book from a retired Sub driver. It was an eye-opener. I was thinking the other day about our security breaches during the cold war and what we did to try to stop them. Basically, we were sold out by insiders for money and there was really no way to catch them before they did it. The classic Navy example was U.S. Navy Chief Warrant Officer John Walker, who sold our codes. They could have saved a lot of time and money by realizing this was probably going to happen and changing codes every couple of years. But they get complacent. We brag about breaking the German and Jap codes during WWII but don't like to talk about the fact that the Germans broke the British Navy code early and knew where all the convoys were. This would not have happened if they had changed the codes quarterly.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (219937)	9/16/2007 5:15:16 PM
From: robert a belfer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 791595

<At least that was what it was like in ASW. Tom Clancy came out with Hunt for Red October while I was stationed at the Aswoc in Brunswick Me. Secrecy was so ingrained about things like SOSUS, even though it was probably well known in the USSR, I thought some of those guys were going to have an anxiety attacks while they were reading it....> For some reason I still remember part of my first security brief before I went to gram school. The gist of it was that a weekly news magazine had puplished classified info about your line of work. We were told that even though it was available in the public library 'they' still had to expend resources to verify the accuracy of the article and were warned not to become one of those independant sources. I never knew, but always suspected some of the bar flys striking up conversations were NIS making sure we didn't.