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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (148918)10/25/2004 9:35:56 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
Yet the neocons have elevated Bush beyond someone whose policies they mostly agree to some kind of demigod with a pure heart who can do no wrong.

Pure pinheaded silliness.....

In truth few administrations have been as corrupt and as harmful to America as Bush's.

LOL!! Remember BJ Billy Bubba Clinton?


You had me going for a while....I almost took you seriously....

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (148918)10/25/2004 9:43:01 AM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 281500

Reuters Poll: Bush Holds Three-Point Lead on Kerry
Mon Oct 25, 2004 07:09 AM ET

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush holds a slender three-point lead over Democratic rival John Kerry in a tight race for the White House, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Monday.

Bush led Kerry 48-45 percent in the latest three-day tracking poll, gaining one point on the Massachusetts senator eight days before the Nov. 2 election. Bush led Kerry 48-46 percent the day before.

About 5 percent of likely voters are still undecided heading into the final full week of the campaign, but Bush has opened a 12-point lead on Kerry among independents.

"How will the remaining undecideds break?" pollster John Zogby asked, noting they traditionally move toward the challenger at the end of a race. "But who can tell this year?"

Bush's three-point lead is identical to the three-point lead he held on Democrat Al Gore in the tracking poll at this stage of the disputed 2000 election.

Kerry, who is Catholic, is tied with Bush among Catholics but still holds strong advantages among black and young voters. The size of the turnout among those crucial voting blocs could play a critical role in the outcome.

The number of likely voters who thought Bush deserved reelection was 48 percent and 48 percent wanted someone new. That represented an improvement for Bush, whose presidential performance was rated as excellent or good by 48 percent while 51 percent said it was fair or poor.

The poll of 1,204 likely voters was taken Friday through Sunday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points. The rolling poll will continue through Nov. 1 -- the day before the election.

A tracking poll combines the results of three consecutive nights of polling, then drops the first night's results each time a new night is added. It allows pollsters to record shifts in voter sentiment as they happen.

The poll showed independent candidate Ralph Nader, blamed by some Democrats for drawing enough votes from Gore to cost him the election in 2000, with the support of 1.1 percent of likely voters.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (148918)10/25/2004 11:48:03 AM
From: jttmab  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
It is remarkable that despite so much evidence to the contrary, Bush still holds about half the votes.


Are the voters stupid? It is not considered politically correct to point out that an awful lot of voters don't have a clue what they are talking about. A recent poll from Middle Tennessee State University sheds some light on the subject. For example, when asked which candidate wants to roll back the tax cuts for people making over $200,000 a year, a quarter thought it was Bush and a quarter didn't know. And it goes down hill from there. When asked which candidate supports specific positions on various issues, the results were no better than chance. While this poll was in Tennessee, I strongly suspect a similar poll in other states would get similar results. I find it dismaying that many people will vote for Bush because they want to tax the rich (which he opposes) or vote for Kerry because they want school vouchers for religious schools (which he opposes).

Poll from Middle TN State University:
But Tennesseans not all that issue savvy. A close look at five key domestic agenda items suggests that Tennesseans as a group hardly qualify as well-informed and ideologically consistent policy wonks. On four of the five issues, only about half of a given candidate’s supporters hold opinions consistent with those of the candidate.

Many favor positions inconsistent with their candidate. Perhaps even more interestingly, sizable chunks of each candidate’s supporters favor positions held by the opposing camp. And when quizzed about which candidates hold which positions on the five issues, Tennesseans score an average of only two right answers – about the same result one could get by merely guessing.


It's worth looking over the specific results. But the opinion that I left with is that the public doesn't know anything about their candidate beyond their name and party affiliation. If they agree on the "issues", it's flat out luck. With that attitude, the only thing a person can be is a "true believer".

That could be a result of our Democratic Republic has too much Republic and not enough Democracy...~"I'll vote, but don't bother me for the next four years." Though it might be wishful thinking to suggest that if we really had an emphasis on Democracy that people would be more involved and educated.


To: Sun Tzu who wrote (148918)10/26/2004 6:52:02 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
You don't recall them being so supportive when he was in power? What is the matter with you? At that time, practically the chief difference between a "neoliberal" and a "neoconservative" was support of Reagan. Do you know anything about neoconservatives?