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To: average joe who wrote (70913)	10/24/2003 9:50:03 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Did you manage to find any numbers as to how many men were also killed as part of honor killing? It takes two to tango, so I imagine given the opportunity, the man would have been as dead, no? On somewhat related note, my personal experience in Pakistan and Northern Africa has been that despite all this "honor" talk, women were easy if they knew they can get away with it. Oh, and I almost forgot, provocation defence is entirely dependent on the emotional background of the defendant. And I think this means a good lawyer could present a reasonable case for it even in North America: The current defence of provocation is governed by section 232 of the Criminal Code, under the heading "Murder reduced to manslaughter." It reads as follows: 232. (1) Culpable homicide that otherwise would be murder may be reduced to manslaughter if the person who committed it did so in the heat of passion caused by sudden provocation. (2) A wrongful act or insult that is of such a nature as to be sufficient to deprive an ordinary person of the power of self-control is provocation for the purpose of this section if the accused acted on it on the sudden and before there was time for his passion to cool. (3) For the purposes of this section, the questions (a) whether a particular wrongful act or insult amounted to provocation, and (b) whether the accused was deprived of the power of self-control by the provocation that he alleges he received, are questions of fact, but no one shall be deemed to have given provocation to another by doing anything he had a legal right to do, or by doing anything that the accused incited him to do in order to provide the accused with an excuse for causing death or bodily harm to any human being. ( 4) Culpable homicide that otherwise would be murder is not necessarily manslaughter by reason only that it was committed by a person who was being arrested illegally, but the fact that the illegality of the arrest was known to the accused may be evidence of provocation for the purpose of this section. To summarize, in order for the defence of provocation to be applied successfully, four things must be established: that there was a "wrongful act or insult"; that such an act or insult would have deprived the "ordinary person" of self-control; that the accused did in fact act "in the heat of passion" as a result of that provocation; and that the accused acted "on the sudden" and before there was time for his or her passion to cool.