To: zonder who wrote (70904 ) 10/23/2003 7:52:46 PM From: Lazarus_Long Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 70976 I pointed out that it is an inhuman, outdated practice This is according to feel-good dizzy wimps in Europe.That appears bizarre and inhuman to Europeans. But you don't think it is, obviously. Let's see, this is coming from those devout humanists who let a murderous civil war rage RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD (Yugoslavia) for years and tens of thousands of deaths, including genocide, and did NOTHING until the people you criticize shamed them into it- -and led the way. Right? These are are the dedicated humanists you defend? Crap.Violence is justified only in self-defense. I presume, then, that Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain is one of your heroes? You are talking about the latter here. Oh, but they come out of the same cultures- -they ones you defend so arduously. OK. One honor killing in Turkey. How many in Palestine? Jordan? Pakistan?Every year, hundreds of women and girls are murdered in the Middle East by male family members. ......................................................... Given that honor killings often remain a private family affair, no official statistics are available on the practice or its frequency. According to a November 1997 report of the Woman's Empowerment Project published in Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, there were 20 honor killings in Gaza and the West Bank in 1996. One representative of the group added, "We know there are more but no one publicizes it." Similarly, an unofficial report given to the Palestinian Women's Working Society stated that "recently" 40 women have been killed for honor in Gaza. The report defined neither the period in which these murders took place nor the exact circumstances. During the summer of 1997, Khaled Al-Qudra, then Attorney General in the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), told Sout Al-Nissa' (Women's Voices), a supplement published by the Women's Affairs Technical Committee (WATC), that he suspects that 70 percent of all murders in Gaza and the West Bank are honor killings. merip.org In some countries such as Jordan, Morocco and Syria, “honor crimes” are also legally sanctioned and defense of the family honor is considered a mitigating factor. Article 340 of the Penal Code of Jordan, for example, provides for an exemption from penalty if a man kills his wife or female relative after finding her “committing adultery with another.” It provides for a reduction in penalty if a man kills his wife or female relative after finding her “with another in an unlawful bed.” Similarly, Article 548 of the Penal Code of Syria also provides an exemption from penalty if a man kills or injures his wife or female after finding her committing adultery or other “illegitimate sexual acts with another.” The law also provides for a reduction in penalty for a man who kills or injures his female relative after catching her in a “suspicious state with another.” Also of concern is the way in which legislation in various countries awards lesser punishment in cases where the victim is considered to have “provoked” the crime by violating cultural norms. feminist.com Hey, there's plenty more I found. You sure you want to go down this road?You seem to think this doesn't happen in the Middle East. At least in the parts I know, you are wrong. It would appear your acquaintance with the area is limited to the areas you want to see. BTW, as I mentioned earlier , it is rather common for courts in this country to intervene in situations where a parent's medical decisions put a child's life is serious danger. And that includes Jehovah's Witnesses and transfusions.