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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2965)8/29/2001 6:27:25 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23246
re: LOL! Isn't it amazing how many times Hawk, et al's rubbish can be refuted without putting the slightest dent in their Zionist zeal?

There's a difference between believing that Israel has a right to exist and believing that Israel is perfect. By finding out Israeli problems, you have not refuted any points that Hawkmoon or I have raised. Israeli problems are easy to find, there are articles in Israeli papers about them every day.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (2965)8/30/2001 4:36:14 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 23246
Re: "In Israel, serving in certain army units is your ticket to good positions in civilian life," said Naomi Chazan, a left-wing member of the Knesset,...

What's even more interesting in the above snippet is that it exposes the stratocratic nature of Israel: indeed, there's no civil society proper in Israel. Israeli corporations are merely an outlet for military retirees, offering them various executive jobs and busywork depending on their past career in the IDF.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (2965)8/30/2001 6:11:43 PM
From: LV  Respond to of 23246
Again, your claim is false. There are no laws in Israel discriminating against Arabs. There are sometimes discriminatory attitudes among some people (not surprising given irreconcilable differences with the Palestinians and constant threat of terrorism), but there are no discriminatory laws. Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy full citizenship rights. As far as the Army, Arabs are not forbidden to serve, they are NOT REQUIRED to serve. Many still volunteer – almost all Druze serve, as well as many Bedouins. There are Arabs at every level of Israeli Army, including Army’s General Staff. Head of one of the most famous Army units, Givati Brigade, is Maj.-Gen. Yusef Mishlav, a Druze. There has been a lot of pressure lately from other Arabs (both from within Israel and from outside) on Bedouin and Druze not to serve in the Army, but so far it has not been successful.