| To: aknahow who wrote (18365) | 10/15/2018 5:08:26 PM | | From: DashernComet | | | | REFR claims that there is a second producer of SPD film and that it is located in the U.S. THIS was the claim by aknahow in message #18365 on 9/13/2016
Two years later, inquiring minds want to know, “Who is it?”
What happened?
What didn’t happen? |
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| To: Auger50 who wrote (24814) | 10/15/2018 5:12:05 PM | | From: JoAnnBarbour | | | | Three key takeaways from the Gentex article:
1. Timing still an issue
Though slower to dim than suspended particle display (SPD) technology, Gentex windows offer reliability, with mean time between failures “in the tens of millions of flight hours,” and complete black-out capability, said Behm, citing a total opaque dimming time of “under 30 seconds.”
2. Windows still clear when airliner parked on ramp
Behm noted his dimmable windows do require electricity to darken, so when the aircraft is parked on a ramp with engines shut down, the windows are transparent, allowing light, heat, and perhaps unwanted eyes inside the aircraft. But Gentex recently entered a technical agreement with ATG to produce electromechanical shades for Gentex, incorporating a design change that creates a combo electronic/electromechanical dimming system. Gentex can now offer high-end products for both the dimmable and pleated fabric shade markets, Behm noted, the latter allowing for a “harmonized interior experience.”
3. PPG:
Gentex’s windows formerly had been marketed by PPG as the Alteos Interactive Window, but Gentex is handling marketing in-house now. “We felt we could manage our product ourselves,” said Behm. PPG has since signed a marketing agreement with Gentex competitor Vision Systems of France. |
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| To: JoAnnBarbour who wrote (24816) | 10/15/2018 5:49:52 PM | | From: dimtint | | | | <<Gentex’s windows formerly had been marketed by PPG as the Alteos Interactive Window, but Gentex is handling marketing in-house now. “We felt we could manage our product ourselves,” said Behm. PPG has since signed a marketing agreement with Gentex competitor Vision Systems of France.>>
The other side to the story. Of course, the King Airs left with PPG for SPD.
There is no doubt in my mind that EC has gotten better at a faster rate than SPD has over the same few years. Otoh, EC seems to have reached a speed limit on large format that it may not be able to get around, while the cost of SPD has fallen faster imo. Another piece of the puzzle, not addressed in the article, is the hot window for EC.
We need to see SPD make some headway in Airlines to feel that is can actually dominate. Those 787's are strong bragging rights.
As for a commercial airline agreement, I'll wait to see what it is. The Quantas A380's never seemed so great:) |
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| To: JoAnnBarbour who wrote (24816) | 10/15/2018 6:02:10 PM | | From: tinknocker | | | | PPG has since signed a marketing agreement with Gentex competitor Vision Systems of France. So, we have to ask ourselves one silly question.
Why would a very large and successful multinational corporation, with years of acceptance of a particular product, abruptly drop that relationship and immediately switch to a competitive product ?
I'm quite sure Joe didn't give up the ranch to get them.
I'm also quite sure they ( and the board and the analysts and the scientists ) did a lot of homework and are privy to far more information than the posters on this board, on either side.
I'm also sure we will never see their marketing platform, but i'm confidant it will be a fantastic one and they already have all the appropriate connections in the industry. |
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| To: Auger50 who wrote (24814) | 10/15/2018 7:51:51 PM | | From: Auger50 | | | | So they won a major contract to be announced in 1/2 of 2019?
Boeing/airbus/bombardier?
That’s underscored by a contract for a commercial system from “one of the major airline OEMs,” whose identity is undisclosed for now, scheduled to launch in the first half of 2019. |
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| To: Auger50 who wrote (24814) | 10/15/2018 8:10:47 PM | | From: N. Dixon | | | | Wonder if they consider the 787 re-upping as a new contract?
But Gentex recently entered a technical agreement with ATG to produce electromechanical shades for Gentex, incorporating a design change that creates a combo electronic/electromechanical dimming system.
Inspectech has done pretty much the same thing with ATG
WOODBURY, NY, and SEATTLE, WA, October 2, 2013 – Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (ATG) and Research Frontiers (Nasdaq: REFR) licensee InspecTech Aero Service joined forces earlier this year to offer the aviation industry products featuring SPD-Smart technology. This week at AIX Americas, ATG unveiled a Boeing B777 window mockup with Panacea – an ATG shade system combining ATG’s pleated shade technology with InspecTech’s SPD-Smart window.
Panacea is the result of years of electronically dimmable window (EDW) evaluation and development efforts by ATG, the world’s leading supplier of dual window shade systems for the commercial and corporate aviation industries. ATG describes the product as follows:
“Panacea offers an unmatched combination of benefits. Aesthetically pleasing, Panacea‘s clean design and numerous customizable options offer the ability to create the perfect complement to the aircraft interior. Panacea also offers the complete solution for natural light entering the cabin. Panacea’s dimmable window feature allows virtually instant transition to any level of tint from clear to very dark, thereby eliminating glare while still being able to enjoy the view of the world outside. Deploying the sheer (translucent) fabric shade creates soft, diffused lighting and a cabin ambiance that is second to none. With this sheer shade deployed, the passenger or crew can further control the amount of soft light to be enjoyed, by ”tuning” the EDW. Panacea also offers a true blackout, enabling passengers to sleep comfortably on long-range flights, whether day or night.”
 
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| To: Auger50 who wrote (24819) | 10/16/2018 1:24:46 AM | | From: dimtint | | | | <<So they won a major contract to be announced in 1/2 of 2019?>>
Not necessarily a major contract. Just a commercial system, whatever that is. I'm going to wait and see what happens with it as it sounds pretty puffy thus far. |
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