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To: Claude Cormier who wrote (264)	1/16/2018 8:02:50 PM
From: kidl	of 4643

The "utility" argument is a $500/hr feast for legal eagles and it's paid for by people who buy these "utility coins" with Dollars / Euros / whatever while those who create these critters are laughing all the way to the bank.

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To: roguedolphin who wrote (262)	1/16/2018 10:38:09 PM
From: Elroy	of 4643

I think the scalability problems of BitCoin are major (and a big problem unless a solution is developed) and the crypto market will be picking new horses for the next bull run. It's just a guess, but I think Bitcoin has enough support as the King of Crypto that the current issues (scalability, fees, etc.) will over time be fixed by the Bitcoin core developers. The more Bitcoin's role as King suffers due to these issues, the stronger the demand will be on the developers to fix the issues, and Bitcoin will eventually right itself and carry on as it always was and always will be. That's my bet.

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To: kidl who wrote (265)	1/17/2018 1:10:09 AM
From: Claude Cormier	of 4643

It is indeed a valid argument that will make big money for lawyers. We cannot say at this point in time if the blockchain/Crypto technology will be disruptive. It has the look of it, the timing is right and it make sense. We should find out in coming months or few years. If it is, you can be sure that not only the ICO's issuer will be laughing to the bank.

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To: roguedolphin who wrote (251)	1/17/2018 5:50:17 AM
From: w0z	2 Recommendations of 4643

What do you like? What do you own? Rather than mention specifics, I'd rather state consistent themes I follow (some choices include more than one). Some of you can guess these but I will not comment so please don't ask. 1. New technologies (supplementing blockchain or completely new). 2. IoT (several different applications, especially supply chain). 3. East Asia (China, Korea, Japan, etc). 4. Picks and shovels (exchanges...ease-of-use and/or decentralized) Diversify, do your own research (DYOR), read white papers, view YouTube reviews, read Reddit, Slack, Medium and Twitter. Initially I subscribed to a couple of paid services but have since dropped them. I can learn as much reading the free stuff mentioned above. There's a huge amount of info available and you can quickly sort out who's providing good info vs hype (beware of Pump & Dumpsters). Be prepared for extreme volatility which is simply part of the game. The risks are high but so are the rewards. Just since Jan 1, my portfolio has gone up nearly 100%, down 50% and today +12%...just in 20 days! However +250% (3.5X) since I started 6 months ago (mid-July). If you can't stand this volatility even in a small portion of your portfolio, stick with CDs, bonds or ETFs. It is the Wild West again like the Internet Bubble in the 90s. Don't do this! (There were PLENTY of warnings about BitConnect BCC). thenextweb.com

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From: FJB

1/17/2018 5:56:10 AM

BTC has broken below $10k...

Percentages are negative.

Bitcoin (BTC)

9,849.1	USD	14.5%
8,056.6	EUR	15.0%

Ethereum (ETH)

875.17	USD	13.3%
0.088940	BTC	0.3%

Ripple (XRP)

0.99000	USD	24.2%
0.000100	BTC	10.6%

EOS (EOS)

8.7512	USD	17.0%
0.000891	BTC	1.6%
0.010018	ETH	1.6%

Bitcoin Cash (BCH)

1,551.4	USD	18.9%
0.15700	BTC	4.4%
1.7531	ETH	4.5%

NEO (NEO)

107.01	USD	27.7%
0.010857	BTC	13.9%
0.12260	ETH	14.1%

Litecoin (LTC)

160.96	USD	15.9%
0.016325	BTC	1.7%

Iota (IOTA)

2.1671	USD	23.9%
1.7670	EUR	23.8%
0.000220	BTC	10.1%
0.002478	ETH	9.8%

Ethereum Classic (ETC)

24.740	USD	22.1%
0.002519	BTC	8.4%

Monero (XMR)

280.00	USD	17.3%
0.028310	BTC	3.2%

BTG (BTG)

164.30	USD	23.3%
0.016663	BTC	8.7%

Zcash (ZEC)

427.39	USD	17.6%
0.043558	BTC	2.5%

OmiseGO (OMG)

14.360	USD	20.2%
0.001444	BTC	5.7%
0.016297	ETH	4.6%

Dash (DASH)

677.49	USD	12.9%
0.068846	BTC	3.7%

Qtum (QTUM)

30.169	USD	26.4%
0.003019	BTC	12.3%
0.034020	ETH	12.8%

QASH (QASH)

1.4244	USD	15.2%
0.000143	BTC	1.6%
0.001600	ETH	0.6%

Santiment (SAN)

2.3880	USD	22.4%
0.000245	BTC	8.2%
0.002701	ETH	7.5%

Status (SNT)

0.24900	USD	23.3%
0.000024	BTC	3.2%
0.000279	ETH	11.7%

0x (ZRX)

1.2810	USD	2.9%
0.000131	BTC	14.0%
0.001475	ETH	15.6%

ETP (ETP)

2.1656	USD	19.4%
0.000219	BTC	2.9%
0.002457	ETH	1.8%

Eidoo (EDO)

3.0017	USD	18.2%
0.000303	BTC	7.0%
0.003397	ETH	6.2%

Streamr (DATA)

0.13621	USD	24.1%
0.000013	BTC	1.5%
0.000160	ETH	5.9%

Golem (GNT)

0.56240	USD	20.5%
0.000056	BTC	3.8%
0.000622	ETH	6.4%

SpankChain (SPK)

0.39511	USD	5.9%
0.000040	BTC	4.8%
0.000444	ETH	11.1%

Time New Bank (TNB)

0.077000	USD	13.1%
0.000007	BTC	0.3%
0.000088	ETH	1.6%

YOYOW (YYW)

0.18000	USD	26.8%
0.000018	BTC	2.4%
0.000204	ETH	13.9%

FunFair (FUN)

0.079400	USD	11.2%
0.000008	BTC	0.00%
0.000088	ETH	0.3%

Basic Attention Token (BAT)

0.42300	USD	11.5%
0.000043	BTC	1.4%
0.000483	ETH	6.2%

Decentraland (MNA)

0.091520	USD	7.5%
0.000009	BTC	0.7%
0.000104	ETH	3.2%

Aventus (AVT)

2.6982	USD	20.8%
0.000266	BTC	11.6%
0.003059	ETH	9.9%

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To: w0z who wrote (268)	1/17/2018 6:34:23 AM
From: Elroy	of 4643

I'm curious if you've ever looked at wagerr? Subject 59927 It's a small cap crypto project which seems like it could be a home run if they can deliver what they've promised - decentralize person to person sports betting. I like it because - It has an easy to understand usage (sports betting. simple) - It exists entirely inside the crypto world. It doesn't have to integrate with the real world (corporations, supply chains, banking, etc.). I like the lack of friction with the real world. - It sounds fun. I think centralized sports betting services are huge in countries where they are legal (such as England). This sounds like the same thing, but lower commission and you will be able to bet from your PC or phone. If Bitcoin and the blockchain makes sense as a person to person payment system, person to person sports betting probably makes equally important sense. Why not? I would imagine the hardest part is getting the connection between the real world winner of the event (49ers beat the Eagles!) into the network via automation. What if the result is wrong in the transition from real world to the wagerr blockchain? Other than that, it seems pretty standard stuff for a blockchain app. Anyways, there's a wagerr thread on SI if anybody is interested. Not much discussion because they don't have much news yet (still in pre-launch phase), but things should get rockin' fairly soon.

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To: Elroy who wrote (270)	1/17/2018 6:41:55 AM
From: w0z	of 4643

I haven't because it just doesn't fit my areas of interest. That doesn't mean anything one way or the other about it specifically.

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From: kidl	1/17/2018 8:41:39 AM
	1 Recommendation of 4643

U.S. companies list blockchain ETFs Jan. 17, 2018 4:18 AM ET\|By: Yoel Minkoff, SA News Editor As bitcoin ETF proposals languish amid a major crypto selloff, funds coming to market today will offer investors access to blockchain ETFs that may benefit from the digital asset's underlying technology. The Amplify Transformational Data Sharing ETF (NYSEARCA: BLOK) and Reality Shares Nasdaq NexGen Economy ETF (NASDAQ: BLCN) will invest in companies betting on blockchain, such as Hitachi ( OTCPK:HTHIF ), Accenture (NYSE: ACN) and Overstock.com (NASDAQ: OSTK).

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To: kidl who wrote (265)	1/17/2018 9:39:47 AM
From: Claude Cormier	1 Recommendation of 4643



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To: T'Munney who wrote (247)	1/17/2018 9:39:55 AM
From: w0z	3 Recommendations of 4643

Cardano, TRX (aka TRON), Stellar Lumens, Verge, and IOTA. Since you mentioned TRX, I had composed a reply to caution you about it but somehow I forgot to post and now it's gone. Bottom line, be careful...TRX dumped 500 free coins (<$0.001 at the time) into my account early last Fall which I suspected was a scam promo tactic. Since they cost me nothing I held and watched it peak at 0.285 on Jan 5, sold at 0.14 ($70 free money) a few days later and now it's <$0.05. Here's another person's assessment on Reddit along with other questionable coins (note Cardano is one): [–] arsonbunnyAnalyst 1078 points 14 hours ago We really needed a correction sooner than later to shake some sense into people. Just look at what happened in the last few weeks: Bitconnect, a literal Ponzi scheme, $2.5 Billion Tron, literally scamcoin selling the idea of "Web 4.0" to normies on Twitter went to $17 billion Cardano ballooned to $20 billion on just a whitepaper Qtum, still no product yet, $4 billion Dentacoin, literal Bulgarian Pajeetcoin for dentists, $2 billion Bitcoin Gold, pointless fork of Bitcoin, $4.5 Billion My aunt is was asking me about how to buy Ripple when she heard my sister tell her about my Bitcoin gains last year This dumpster fire needs a good burning. Be very careful with hearsay advice!

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