| To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (8580) | 2/24/2022 2:41:45 AM | | From: elmatador | | | | There is no threat of war. This is just trade by another name.
1) Russia wants long term gas contracts with its customers. The EU wants to trade gas in the spot market. Rationale of the EU: If we don't have resources, we make money trading gas from Russia.
Everybody would be a Swiss if they could, mind you.
Europe’s overall traded gas market was worth 680 billion euros ($787.37 billion) in 2020, turning over 70,512 terawatt hours (TWh), UK research firm Prospex said in a July report.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-launches-nationwide-gas-trading-hub-2021-10-01/
2) Ukraine oligarchs side with the EU. This made the Russian oligarchs unhappy. Putin had to do something about it.
https://icds.ee/en/breaking-the-natural-law-of-gas-deliveries-the-mechanism-of-the-reverse-flows-in-ukraine-and-europe/
It is an European thing. They've been doing this for the past 2,000 years. France and Germany twice last century battle for the Alsace-Lorraine (coal and iron).
In fact Hitler push east, seeking lebensraum, was to take Ukraine.
This time around is not coal and iron, It is oil and gas.
The Americans, being the Americans -traders by heart- are making a killing shipping expensive LNG to the EU, "rescuing" the Europeans.
The US is used to this convoy to Europe thing.
is everybody winnning? No. The consumers are paing the price |
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| To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (8564) | 2/24/2022 3:42:19 AM | | From: elmatador | | | | Why are the Americans are screaming. "There is a war. There is a war." Why? Everytime there was a war, the Americans loaded the boats with goods and go rescue Europe.
Plus selling lots of weapons to fight these wars. They are thinking now: This time is the same deal... Now that the Middle East is not buying our weaponry.
At past wars' end. The US intact. Europe in ruins. US becomes the 20th century superpower. Simple. US dollar became the world reserve currency
The Russians have been thinking we can have a trade relationship with these Europeans. We have lots of oil&gas. Just sign long term gas deals.
And these our former USSR neighbors would save the billions the Americans and the EU want them to spend on the fighter jets, missiles, and other materiel that being in NATO requires.
Russian oligarchs happy. EU customers happy.
Well, that peaceful deal does not generate business, thus the situation they are in. |
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| To: elmatador who wrote (8590) | 2/24/2022 6:47:09 AM | | From: Haim R. Branisteanu | | | | Elmo your theory is/was partially correct. The truth is that Russia is in a very precarious situation economically.
The best solution for a tyrant to solve his economic problems is to start a war.
The evidence now proves that this was the intention from long ago - would guess starting with Georgia invasion and Crimea takeover.
All was tuned to face a weak NATO alliance.
The opening of a new canal between the Mediterranean Sea and Black Sea by Turkey would have enabled the Six's Fleet to anchor in Constanta Romania and Odessa Ukraine and neutralize the Russian fleet in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea.
Would admit that I was thinking that there would not be such extreme measures as starting a war.
At the end I hope the western countries would prove to have a counter solution by full force against Russia which will topple the present Russian leadership.
The Russian citizens are also on the suffering side of a low standard of living not due to their own making. |
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| To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (8592) | 2/24/2022 7:08:28 AM | | From: elmatador | | | | Everything was moving smoothly. Until the Germans cut a deal with the Ukranians in 2013.
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Following that
Russia formally incorporated Crimea as two Russian federal subjects—the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol on 18 March 2014. |
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| From: Elroy Jetson | 2/24/2022 9:27:59 AM | | | | | | Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo have offered to negotiate the surrender of the United States to Putin on extremely favorable terms.
The best appeasement offer is usually the first. |
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| To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (8594) | 2/27/2022 3:54:53 AM | | From: elmatador | | | | Peaceful and economic relations in Eurasia? No need for NATO. No market for weapons. No good.
Russia must exists as "threat" to justify NATO's existence. |
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| To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (8595) | 2/27/2022 3:56:34 AM | | From: elmatador | | | | Former German Chancellor Schröder nominated for Gazprom board
The former chancellor is already chairman of Nord Stream and a good friend of Vladimir Putin.
Former Chancellor Schröder is a long-time friend of Vladimir Putin | Sean Gallup/Getty Images
BY LAURENZ GEHRKE
February 4, 2022 7:08 pm
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BERLIN — Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder has been nominated to join the board of directors at Gazprom, the state-owned Russian energy company behind the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
Gazprom published an official list of nominees on Friday, saying the names would be voted on in June during a shareholders' meeting in Saint Petersburg.
The news came a week after Schröder — a long-time friend of Vladimir Putin and who holds senior positions at Nord Stream and Rosneft — made headlines by saying on his podcast that Ukraine, not Russia, was "saber-rattling."
Schröder was mocked for his comments from within Germany, which itself has been criticized for a perceived softness toward Putin at a time when Ukraine remains surrounded by a huge — and still growing — mass of Russian troops and weapons.
Schröder's Gazprom nomination angered his opponents, with the chair of the defense committee in parliament, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, suggesting he should be stripped of the pension he receives as an ex-chancellor.
"It's time to start thinking about withdrawing Gerhard Schröder's allowance as a former chancellor," Strack-Zimmermann, who is from the liberal Free Democrats (FDP), wrote on Twitter. "He harms the country he is meant to serve and willingly accepts more than good pay for it from an autocrat."
Stefan Müller, of the Bavarian Christian Social Union, agreed, writing on social media: "Schröder gets a promotion from bosom buddy Putin. Across party lines, we should talk about stripping him of his official endowment as former chancellor."
"He is damaging Germany," Müller added.
Undeterred, Schröder on Friday afternoon, during the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in Beijing, took to LinkedIn to criticize those who have boycotted the event over Beijing's human rights record, saying that China is Germany's "most important sales market."
"Anyone who wants to put pressure on China with boycott demands and moralizing foreign policy is playing a dangerous game," he wrote.
Current German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will leave for Washington on Sunday for talks with U.S. President Joe Biden and is scheduled to visit Kyiv and Moscow a week later. |
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