| To: Lane3 who wrote (215622) | 10/26/2021 3:13:35 AM | | From: i-node | | | | >> It was off topic re our colloquy, which was about whether the election rules changes in the states were intended to protect voters from covid or whether they were intended to rig the election and about speculation vs evidence wrt that.
If you think WS, where all this horseshit began, is not important, then you really aren't grasping the basics. Wisconsin was the model for the operation and proved it could be done efficiently and if the courts were willing to cheat a little, they could get away with it.
Damn. And they're irrelevant? |
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| To: combjelly who wrote (215630) | 10/26/2021 8:37:53 AM | | From: Lane3 | | | | But he sincerely believes there is evidence...
I found your comment memorable and even profound because it struck me as a milestone. My observation may be universal or it may be unique to me but I see milestones in the evolution to a post-truth world.
The first milestone to hit me was Kellyanne and her "alternative facts." That notion hung a label on a huge departure from the established definition of "fact.".
Prior to that there existed the notion that everyone was entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts. Somehow during that time there evolved the notion that one person's opinion was just as valid as anyone else's opinion regardless of the knowledge and the logic behind those opinions. Embedded in Kellyanne's notion was a conversion of opinion into fact. Opinions that were contrary to facts somehow became facts, alternative ones.
Your comment struck me as the next milestone because it gave credibility to alternative facts on the basis of sincere belief. The sincere belief thing had been understood to apply to matters of conscience--conscientious objectors. It is foundational that we respect that. Your comment applied the sincere belief standard to alternative facts. Which implies that we have to apply the same respect and recognition to alternate facts sincerely believed as we do to evidenced facts. I don't think we have quite reached that point yet but it seems to be where we're headed.
The phases, in sequence:
Facts and opinions, different concepts, validity judged rationally
Next, all opinions recognized as equally valid
Next, opinions recognized alternative facts
Next, alternative facts acquire the status and weight of facts via conscientious objection
It's too early in the morning to take even a first cut at this. Further mulling required. But I wanted to acknowledge your contribution of identifying and labeling a landmark on the post-truth road. <g> |
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| To: i-node who wrote (215657) | 10/26/2021 9:17:57 AM | | From: Lane3 | | | | If you think WS, where all this horseshit began, is not important
Never said that. Only that it was not relevant to the topic on the table at that moment.
There are lots of elements to the steal thing. The one on the table was evidence that Hemingway or anyone else might to demonstrate that the D's "used covid to rig" the election. What you posted about Wisconsin had to do with voter registration rolls and excuses for voting by mail. Two different elements.
I don't know if you really have that disorganized a mind or whether you were intentionally using Wisconsin as a diversion to avoid digging into your Hemingway book and finding what evidence she had for her charge. Either way, I didn't fall for it.
I offered you an easy opportunity to display the evidence and prove your case. Are you going to check the Hemingway book for the basis for her charge? Or did you already look and find that she had none?
BTW, as a courtesy, I did comment separately on the Wisconsin thing after you called my attention to it. You ignored it. Guess it wasn't so important after all. |
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| To: combjelly who wrote (215630) | 10/26/2021 12:01:38 PM | | From: Brumar89 | | | | | My own opinion is Trump, in h is heart of hearts, knows damn well he lost the election and so does inode and Mollie Hemingway. They simply have no character and have decided to embrace lies as a political tactic. There are people who sincerely believe the Big Lie, but they're really low IQ types. |
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