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From: bentway12/10/2019 10:28:44 PM
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Giuliani Has A New Conspiracy Theory To Mainline Into GOP Bloodstream



Talking Points Memoby Josh Kovensky

The seed of another wacky conspiracy theory is sprouting in Ukraine.

And this time, it purports to implicate both President Barack Obama and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA).

According to a Tuesday report in the Washington Post, Trump asked Giuliani to brief Trump and GOP Senators about what he was told while in Kyiv last week.

The Ukrainians who met with Giuliani have announced, on their own, what they told the President’s lawyer. What emerges is a new conspiracy theory positing an elaborate scheme involving the Franklin Templeton investment fund, Obama, and Schiff.

It’s not entirely clear when Giuliani will do the briefing. He told the Post that he hoped “to have it done by the end of the week,” while Trumpworld fixture Jason Miller tweeted that it would be out “a little later than Wednesday.” But if he does, this theory could find its way into the halls of Congress.

While in Kyiv, Giuliani met with a member of Ukrainian parliament named Oleksandr Dubinsky. A former journalist who entered parliament this past summer, Dubinsky is known in Ukraine in part for his ties to a local oligarch with certain legal issues pending in the U.S.

But Dubinsky, a ferocious poster, uploaded a video last week in which he retells what he claims to have told Giuliani. Part of that has to do with a supposed “investigative commission” that Dubinsky wants to create in Ukraine to investigate his allegations, which focus on the deposed Russia-friendly government of Viktor Yanukovych and on President Volodymyr Zelensky’s predecessor, Petro Poroshenko.

Crucially, Dubinsky says in the video — titled “Meeting with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani” — that “the creation of an investigative commission would be focused on receiving information from the U.S. Justice Department and to attract it to an investigation of these financial frauds that, I repeat, occurred under Yanukovych and Poroshenko.”

In the video, Dubinsky echoed claims made by former Ukrainian general prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, who initially fed dirt to Giuliani.

The allegation is based on $7 billion in bonds issued by the Ukrainian government and purchased by Franklin Templeton, the investment management company.

Dubinsky and Lutsenko allege that the bonds were actually part of an elaborate scheme to siphon money out of Ukraine and make millions.

Without providing any evidence to support the claim, Dubinsky said in the video that $7 billion that had been stolen from the Ukrainian budget via various corruption schemes was laundered into the U.S. by being used to purchase an equal amount in bonds issued by the Ukrainian government.

Franklin Templeton, Dubinsky said, agreed to take the dirty money and buy the bonds, which came at a 9.5 percent annual yield. The investment manager overseeing the alleged scheme was also one of the Obama campaign’s biggest donors, Dubinsky said.

FEC records do not corroborate the claim.

“A fucking awesome scheme!” Dubinsky exclaimed in the video, adding that he told Giuliani all of the details.

Separately, a spokeswoman for Lutsenko said that the former general prosecutor told Giuliani in an interview in Budapest that Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch prevented him from conducting an investigation into the $7 billion. Again, Lutsenko has not offered any evidence to support the claim.

Giuliani tweeted last week that Schiff is an investor in Franklin Templeton.

Working on an important project with @OANN, intended to bring before the American people information Schiff (recently disclosed investor in Franklin Templton) “Star chamber” proceedings have covered up. Stay tuned.

One America News appears to have misreported Schiff’s connection to the investment fund. The right-wing TV network reported that Schiff received donations from Franklin Templeton; FEC records do not show that.

Rather, Schiff’s own financial disclosures suggest that he received dividends from investments he has with the firm.

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To: combjelly who wrote (147106)12/10/2019 10:47:45 PM
From: T'Munney
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<<I hope Trump gets his way. SNL was right, the big problem with the House investigation is that it was boring.

So let's have some action! Pathos! Hilarity!>>

interesting. No pathos or hilarity but the Dems have facts and the Reps are chewing up the scenery. The Democrats have an analytical, fact finding spokesperson in Adam Schiff. The Republicans have ragers like Jim Jordan, ready to brawlers like Gaetz and Nunes, and a buffoon at the helm.

Which group gets the most attention is obvious. The SNL cast has comedy as it's currency. Let's hope the Senate has some members able to listen, consider, and then decide on the facts.

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From: i-node12/10/2019 11:29:11 PM
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Constitutional law expert and Harvard professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz harshly criticized the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump presented by the Democrats as unconstitutional and damaging to the rule of law in an op-ed in The Hill on Tuesday.

Neither of the two articles - abuse of power and obstruction of Congress – presented by the Democrats “satisfies the express constitutional criteria for impeachment,” as both are not crimes or even mentioned in the Constitution.

This means that the Democrats are placing themselves above the Constitution, he wrote.

Dershowitz argued that both articles of impeachment “are so vague and open-ended that they could be applied in partisan fashion by a majority of the House against almost any president from the opposing party.”

He added this notion is exactly what the framers sought to avoid – a decision to impeach based on “the comparative strength of parties,” rather than on “innocence or guilt.”

Dershowitz stressed that the duty of legislators in the House should be “to support, defend and apply the Constitution as written, not as it can be stretched to fit the actions of an opposition or unpopular president.”

He went on to contend that if the House votes for impeachment on these articles, it should be declared “void,” because as Alexander Hamilton stated in Federalist 78, “no legislative act… contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.”

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To: T'Munney who wrote (147118)12/10/2019 11:36:53 PM
From: robert a belfer
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<<I hope Trump gets his way. SNL was right, the big problem with the House investigation is that it was boring.

So let's have some action! Pathos! Hilarity!>>

interesting. No pathos or hilarity but the Dems have facts and the Reps are chewing up the scenery. The Democrats have an analytical, fact finding spokesperson in Adam Schiff. The Republicans have ragers like Jim Jordan, ready to brawlers like Gaetz and Nunes, and a buffoon at the helm.

Which group gets the most attention is obvious. The SNL cast has comedy as it's currency. Let's hope the Senate has some members able to listen, consider, and then decide on the facts.
With people like you, who needs SNL? LOL. Don't pout, I am pretty sure Pres. Obama said the same thing. It is never the message. Always the messaging.

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To: bentway who wrote (147115)12/10/2019 11:43:32 PM
From: i-node
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>> Since then, 104 of them (43%) have either retired, been defeated, or are forgoing reelection in 2020.”

Do you think this is unusual? (Keeping in mind there aren't likely to be all that many more unless they die).

Old people retire; some get beaten. It happens.

Most importantly, they tend to be replaced with members of the same party, but people who are younger and can be around a while.

I wouldn't get too excited about it at this point. I don't think Dems have taken the full measure of today's loss yet. When they figure it out, they may be wanting to retire, too.

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To: robert a belfer who wrote (147120)12/10/2019 11:45:43 PM
From: puborectalis
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Douglas Kass

?@DougKass


Replying to @DougKass
scream, “Impeachment subverts the will of the people,” I say: “Really? What the hell do you think Trump was doing in Ukraine?” He was subverting the will of the people by scheming to use our tax dollars to knock out his most feared opponent in the coming election —

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To: i-node who wrote (147119)12/10/2019 11:47:25 PM
From: puborectalis
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Dershowitz lost all credibility defending the likes of OJ Simpson,Klaus von Bulow and Trump let alone his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

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From: i-node12/11/2019 12:12:09 AM
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owa: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Trump 49, Biden 45Trump +4
Iowa: Trump vs. Sanders Emerson Trump 50, Sanders 43Trump +7
Iowa: Trump vs. Warren Emerson Trump 50, Warren 43Trump +7
Iowa: Trump vs. Buttigieg Emerson Trump 46, Buttigieg 45Trump +1

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To: puborectalis who wrote (147123)12/11/2019 12:13:41 AM
From: i-node
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>> Dershowitz lost all credibility defending the likes of OJ Simpson,Klaus von Bulow and Trump let alone his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

So, those people weren't entitled to the best defense they could afford? Or, you think they should have been limited to public defenders? How does that work in your mind?

I guarantee you if you were charged with a serious crime you'd seek out the best money could buy.

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To: bentway who wrote (147116)12/11/2019 12:15:12 AM
From: i-node
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>> A federal judge in El Paso

That kind of tells the entire story, right there...

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