| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70911) | 10/26/2003 12:42:59 PM | | From: Rainy_Day_Woman | | | | well let's put it this way
if you were a female in the middle east and your family beat you if you told them you were raped, would you tell them, much less report it?
I think not
nor would I personally believe any rape statistics put out by ME governments - they have a history of major denial in regards to how their women are treated there, of how it appears to the world |
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| To: Rainy_Day_Woman who wrote (70934) | 10/26/2003 12:58:32 PM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | if you were a female in the middle east and your family beat you if you told them you were raped, would you tell them, much less report it?
Not unless you're raving mad. Or cannot avoid it, like a male relative saw it and is out for revenge.
nor would I personally believe any rape statistics put out by ME governments - they have a history of major denial in regards to how their women are treated there, of how it appears to the world
What? You don't believe the Saudis when they tell us how happy their women are to to be locked away? |
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| To: zonder who wrote (70926) | 10/26/2003 1:05:07 PM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | You mean like this?
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As I said, I've been to Tunisia and Saudi. I'd rather be shot than a Saudi woman.
If this is such an abberation, why is it that so many other other ME nations seem to want to turn into Islamic theocracies?
Remember ALgeria? An Islamic fundamentalist gov't elected and the military intervenes to prevent it from taking power? Afghanistan? (Yeah, I know it's not ME; it is Muslim.) Egypt has a running, nonstop war with Islamic fundamentalists. Turkey is threatened. One of the dangers with Iraq is that if the US pulls out, an "Islamic democracy" is exactly what we will get. Iran?
Gee, there sure seem to be a lot of countries there that want to turn into repressive, female-abusing theocracies.
Know something? In spite of all the **** you throw at the US, it remains a democracy and one that treats its female half well. And I like that way. I'll take a wife, not a slave. |
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| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70937) | 10/26/2003 7:35:26 PM | | From: average joe | | | | *Kurd to face murder trial over "honour killing" of daughter
UPPSALA, Sweden, March 6 (AFP) - A Kurd living in Sweden who confessed to killing his 26-year-old daughter because she was seeing a Swedish man is to go on trial next week for murder, police said Wednesday.
Rahmi Sahindal faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, Uppsala police spokeswoman Lena Larsson told AFP.
The trial is scheduled to begin on Tuesday in the Uppsala court, 70 kilometres (43 miles) north of Stockholm.
The murder of Fadime Sahindal, who was well known for campaigning against what are known as "honour crimes", has gripped Sweden.
She was shot dead just as she was leaving her sister's apartment on the evening of January 21.
Rahmi Sahindal told police the next day that he shot his daughter because she had dishonoured the family by having a romantic relationship with a Swede rather than a Kurd.
"She humiliated me in front of the whole world. I saw no other way out than to kill her. She's a whore," Swedish media quoted Rahmi Sahindal as allegedly telling police.
Fadime brought a highly publicized court case against her father and brother in 1998 for threatening to kill her for her relationship with her Swedish boyfriend.
She travelled around the country to speak publicly about her situation and lived under threat for years.
"The only way for the family to regain its honour now that I have spread dishonour over it is to kill me," Fadime, a sociology student, said during the 1998 trial.
Fadime's slaying has attracted media attention to the plight of young women immigrants in Sweden, often torn between the liberal Swedish society they grow up in and the strict, traditional upbringing their immigrant parents want to maintain.
Since her murder, debate has raged about ways to better integrate immigrants into society and protect thousands of young women in Fadime's situation from a similar fate.
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| To: Solon who wrote (70897) | 10/26/2003 11:12:04 PM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | ONE TV CHANNEL???
Nah. You gotta have more than that. And something like 90% of Canadians are close to the US border, right? (I think they huddle there to stay warm.) They must get some US TV.
I remember driving around the Olympic Peninsula in WA, listening to the radio in the car. I'd say "That's a US station" My wife would say "No, that's a Canadian station." She was right. Always. I was thinking we ought to send the Washingtonians some federal aid so they could afford at least one station of their own. |
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| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70930) | 10/27/2003 4:20:15 AM | | From: zonder | | | | I don't remember agreeing to anything
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You seem to be agreeing there that it is not only some ME people who cause deaths due to their belief systems.
You seem to want to hold Europeans up as the epitome of civilization
No, I don't.
I suggest you check AJ's findings. Then see what you can find on the Amish. Then get back to us
No. I suggest I don't waste my time thus. I suggest I just point out that a couple of hundred deaths per year is not a significant number given more than a hundred million people.
>>>2) ME is in fact much safer in terms of murder and rape, than most other places, the US in particular (see the statistics website I provided in an earlier post)<<<
Repressive gov'ts repress lots of things, yes.
What?
Are you saying rape is "repressed"? Murder is "repressed"? Are you trying to say that it is a Bad Thing that ME has far less rape and murder than in the US?
ME gov't (other than possibly Israel) do you wish to hold up as the paragon of democracy?
I don't wish to hold any ME government as "paragon" of democracy. (I wouldn't show the US as "paragon" of democracy, either, especially after the appearance of the Patriot Act). Israel and Turkey are democratic countries. I would love to see you try to argue that it is because of a repressive government that rape is so low in Turkey :-)
So you see no difference between these situations:
(1) A crook is caught by police robbing your home, is arrested, tried, convicted, and does 10 years in the slammer.
(2) You grab someone you think did it and lock them up in a cage in your backyard
Oh that sounds like:
(1) Iraq violates UN resolutions, and the UN decides the proper way of dealing with it
(2) US decides to play vigilante, and invades a country they THINK has WMDs
:-)
To answer the point you were trying to make, though, no, it doesn't make it any better that it is the state killing people. Especially since the state is not foolproof, either, and that recent DNA tests have proven the innocence of some convicts already killed by the US state.
If they were serving life sentences, they could at least be set free with an apology. |
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