| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70920) | 10/24/2003 12:08:50 PM | | From: zonder | | | | Are you missing my attentions, Laz?
I believe we agreed that:
(1) Honor killings are rare. About as rare as the Amish killing their kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated against common diseases.
(2) ME is in fact much safer in terms of murder and rape, than most other places, the US in particular (see the statistics website I provided in an earlier post)
In your latest post, it seems you want to go into various other stuff, like how Europeans didn't stop killings in ex-Yugoslavia until Americans made them, etc. You seem to think that is relevant.
I am just not going to go into a comparative valuation of just which region is more horrible than the other in terms of conservative traditions/belief systems/violence etc taking lives. Suffice it to come to an understanding on the fact that ultra-conservative ways of life and religious beliefs take lives unnecessary.
It is equally horrible everywhere - whether that be Jews killing one another because they don't believe in organ donation, ultra-conservative Middle Easterns killing their own daughters because they have "shamed" the family, American state killing a criminal under "capital punishment", or the Amish killing their own kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated.
And no, this doesn't make neither the ME, the US, nor Israel a horrible place. |
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| To: average joe who wrote (70921) | 10/24/2003 12:08:56 PM | | From: Sun Tzu | | | | | Oh, and I forgot to say, it is not so harmless to the man either. In one occasion, I took a bus from one city to another. As it happens, my stop was the same as some female student who had been sitting next to me. I had only engaged in idle chit-chat to spend the time. But that was enough for the driver not to let me out at my stop and take me away for another 3 stops. On the other hand, they didn't seem to say anything to the woman. |
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| To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70927) | 10/24/2003 12:31:31 PM | | From: average joe | | | | I thought it was universally understood that men are pigs who don't give a damn about women so long as they get all the food and sex they want.
You are certainly a role model for that understanding. It is too bad for your culture as well. For a period of time Arab culture was the most advanced on earth until it was hijacked by thugs. |
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| To: zonder who wrote (70923) | 10/24/2003 1:00:40 PM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | I'm not quite sure what you agreed to. I don't remember agreeing to anything.
However:
In your latest post, it seems you want to go into various other stuff, like how Europeans didn't stop killings in ex-Yugoslavia until Americans made them, etc. You seem to think that is relevant.
Oh. Well. You seem to want to hold Europeans up as the epitome of civilization. I think that makes the fact that they watched genocide in Europe and did nothing until the US led them in relevant.
(1) Honor killings are rare. About as rare as the Amish killing their kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated against common diseases.
I suggest you check AJ's findings. Then see what you can find on the Amish. Then get back to us.
2) ME is in fact much safer in terms of murder and rape, than most other places, the US in particular (see the statistics website I provided in an earlier post)
Repressive gov'ts repress lots of things, yes.
If you disagree, which ME gov't (other than possibly Israel) do you wish to hold up as the paragon of democracy?
American state killing a criminal under "capital punishment"
OK. So you see no difference between these situations:
(1) A crook is caught by police robbing your home, is arrested, tried, convicted, and does 10 years in the slammer.
(2) You grab someone you think did it and lock them up in a cage in your backyard.
Did I get that right? |
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| To: Solon who wrote (70899) | 10/26/2003 1:53:42 AM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | It is the US or Canada!
Yep.
Let me know when you turn the heat on up there and I'll come. :-)
I'd add the UK, Australia and NZ to your list. Funny how they are all democracies, isn't it? |
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