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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70927)10/24/2003 12:31:31 PM
From: average joe
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I thought it was universally understood that men are pigs who don't give a damn about women so long as they get all the food and sex they want.

You are certainly a role model for that understanding. It is too bad for your culture as well. For a period of time Arab culture was the most advanced on earth until it was hijacked by thugs.

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To: average joe who wrote (70928)10/24/2003 12:39:38 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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Wrong guess...try again...then again, don't; I've put you on ignore.

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To: zonder who wrote (70923)10/24/2003 1:00:40 PM
From: Lazarus_Long
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I'm not quite sure what you agreed to. I don't remember agreeing to anything.

However:
In your latest post, it seems you want to go into various other stuff, like how Europeans didn't stop killings in ex-Yugoslavia until Americans made them, etc. You seem to think that is relevant.
Oh. Well. You seem to want to hold Europeans up as the epitome of civilization. I think that makes the fact that they watched genocide in Europe and did nothing until the US led them in relevant.

(1) Honor killings are rare. About as rare as the Amish killing their kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated against common diseases.
I suggest you check AJ's findings. Then see what you can find on the Amish. Then get back to us.

2) ME is in fact much safer in terms of murder and rape, than most other places, the US in particular (see the statistics website I provided in an earlier post)
Repressive gov'ts repress lots of things, yes.

If you disagree, which ME gov't (other than possibly Israel) do you wish to hold up as the paragon of democracy?

American state killing a criminal under "capital punishment"
OK. So you see no difference between these situations:
(1) A crook is caught by police robbing your home, is arrested, tried, convicted, and does 10 years in the slammer.
(2) You grab someone you think did it and lock them up in a cage in your backyard.

Did I get that right?

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To: Solon who wrote (70899)10/26/2003 1:53:42 AM
From: Lazarus_Long
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It is the US or Canada!
Yep.

Let me know when you turn the heat on up there and I'll come. :-)

I'd add the UK, Australia and NZ to your list. Funny how they are all democracies, isn't it?

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To: zonder who wrote (70907)10/26/2003 11:33:40 AM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman
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I haven't asked you one thing about your personal life

I haven't asked you once the details of your personal life

there has never been anything 'insistent', for I asked you once, on a political thread, what your nationality was, to understand your point of view - not where you live [you have it posted on your profile] - not what you do for a living [you have it posted on your profile] - never another question regarding your personal life

someone ventured you were from Angola per your inter-action with her - you said yes I am from Angola

you called us clowns

you said now let's see what they can 'dig' up on Angola to spite me - you know, like you 'dig' up on America all the time

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To: Solon who wrote (70908)10/26/2003 12:37:48 PM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman
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if you like the blues you have to go there

their blues clubs are legendary and steeped in tradition

way cool

here is my fave club:

barsonline.com

fave Chicago bluesman, Buddy guy:

dk-studio.com

psssst, one of my fave shops:

materialpossessions.com

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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70911)10/26/2003 12:42:59 PM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman
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well let's put it this way

if you were a female in the middle east and your family beat you if you told them you were raped, would you tell them, much less report it?

I think not

nor would I personally believe any rape statistics put out by ME governments - they have a history of major denial in regards to how their women are treated there, of how it appears to the world

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To: Rainy_Day_Woman who wrote (70934)10/26/2003 12:58:32 PM
From: Lazarus_Long
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if you were a female in the middle east and your family beat you if you told them you were raped, would you tell them, much less report it?
Not unless you're raving mad. Or cannot avoid it, like a male relative saw it and is out for revenge.

nor would I personally believe any rape statistics put out by ME governments - they have a history of major denial in regards to how their women are treated there, of how it appears to the world
What? You don't believe the Saudis when they tell us how happy their women are to to be locked away?

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To: zonder who wrote (70926)10/26/2003 1:05:07 PM
From: Lazarus_Long
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You mean like this?
Message 19430432

As I said, I've been to Tunisia and Saudi. I'd rather be shot than a Saudi woman.

If this is such an abberation, why is it that so many other other ME nations seem to want to turn into Islamic theocracies?
Remember ALgeria? An Islamic fundamentalist gov't elected and the military intervenes to prevent it from taking power? Afghanistan? (Yeah, I know it's not ME; it is Muslim.) Egypt has a running, nonstop war with Islamic fundamentalists. Turkey is threatened. One of the dangers with Iraq is that if the US pulls out, an "Islamic democracy" is exactly what we will get. Iran?

Gee, there sure seem to be a lot of countries there that want to turn into repressive, female-abusing theocracies.

Know something? In spite of all the **** you throw at the US, it remains a democracy and one that treats its female half well. And I like that way. I'll take a wife, not a slave.

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To: average joe who wrote (70914)10/26/2003 1:13:53 PM
From: Lazarus_Long
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"Violence in the name of culture will not be tolerated. Murder in the name of honour will be punished by the severest penalties available in law."
Amen.

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