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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70916)10/24/2003 10:53:21 AM
From: average joe
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"my personal experience in Pakistan and Northern Africa has been that despite all this "honor" talk, women were easy if they knew they can get away with it."

Explain what you mean by "easy" and "get away with it".

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To: average joe who wrote (70917)10/24/2003 11:21:20 AM
From: Sun Tzu
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They didn't seem to particularly give a damn how far they went with a stranger (or at least a foreign man) so long as they could maintain appearances and nobody in their community would find out.

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To: average joe who wrote (70915)10/24/2003 11:51:08 AM
From: Lazarus_Long
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Thank you. I had put "honor killing" into google, but hadn't thought of the alternate British spelling "honour killing". Obviously they also are not impressed with this as just a cute and quaint custom onserved in faraway lands that they should simply tolerate. I have no doubt similar findings would emerge using the French, German, Swedish, Spanish, .... equivalent phrases.

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To: zonder who wrote (70904)10/24/2003 11:54:06 AM
From: Lazarus_Long
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Message 19431047

It isn't simply Americans, my dear, who are not impressed by this cute little custom.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70918)10/24/2003 12:00:57 PM
From: average joe
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I suppose there is only one effective way of dealing with such easy women. Their punishment will be a good example to the other chattel about fraternizing with foreign men.

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To: average joe who wrote (70921)10/24/2003 12:01:55 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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I won't tell, if you don't...then again, who knows, may be it was just my good looks :-)

PS "fraternizing" is putting it mildly.

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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70920)10/24/2003 12:08:50 PM
From: zonder
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Are you missing my attentions, Laz?

I believe we agreed that:
(1) Honor killings are rare. About as rare as the Amish killing their kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated against common diseases.
(2) ME is in fact much safer in terms of murder and rape, than most other places, the US in particular (see the statistics website I provided in an earlier post)

In your latest post, it seems you want to go into various other stuff, like how Europeans didn't stop killings in ex-Yugoslavia until Americans made them, etc. You seem to think that is relevant.

I am just not going to go into a comparative valuation of just which region is more horrible than the other in terms of conservative traditions/belief systems/violence etc taking lives. Suffice it to come to an understanding on the fact that ultra-conservative ways of life and religious beliefs take lives unnecessary.

It is equally horrible everywhere - whether that be Jews killing one another because they don't believe in organ donation, ultra-conservative Middle Easterns killing their own daughters because they have "shamed" the family, American state killing a criminal under "capital punishment", or the Amish killing their own kids by not allowing them to be vaccinated.

And no, this doesn't make neither the ME, the US, nor Israel a horrible place.

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To: average joe who wrote (70921)10/24/2003 12:08:56 PM
From: Sun Tzu
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Oh, and I forgot to say, it is not so harmless to the man either. In one occasion, I took a bus from one city to another. As it happens, my stop was the same as some female student who had been sitting next to me. I had only engaged in idle chit-chat to spend the time. But that was enough for the driver not to let me out at my stop and take me away for another 3 stops. On the other hand, they didn't seem to say anything to the woman.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70922)10/24/2003 12:12:18 PM
From: average joe
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"may be it was just my good looks :-)"

What happened to the girl? Was she burned alive or just stoned to death?

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To: average joe who wrote (70925)10/24/2003 12:13:38 PM
From: zonder
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You guys should lighten up a little bit :-)

Just take a plane to the ME, otherwise. You will be surprised, methinks.

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