| To: zonder who wrote (70869) | 10/22/2003 10:34:14 AM | | From: Solon | | | | Well--needless to say...there is a vast chasm of moral difference between giving an allowance to a child for work versus beating your wife like she was a slave...or cutting off your daughter's clitoris.
I doubt anyone on this thread is against cultural diversity. Indeed, such diversity is the very reason why we travel and associate--we seek to learn and to live.
But who wants to travel to countries where the "moral" atmosphere stinks? Western people travel all over the world for culture and learning. Why do you think they avoid certain backward countries?? They don't like the food?? |
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| To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (70872) | 10/22/2003 11:36:26 AM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | Just as I thought. You're a liberal. You can't read straight. Are you AS's identical twin?
Let's try this again.
Vote for Republicans unless they are crooks. If the Republican is a crook (in Illinois, I'm sure this is common), the vote Libertarian.
Vote "No" on all new taxes and all bond measures. |
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| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70873) | 10/22/2003 11:39:20 AM | | From: Original Mad Dog | | | | I have four kids in a very good public school system. I will continue to vote yes on all of their bond measures. I will also vote yes on all library bond measures. I will continue to vote yes on all measures which involve building highways, even if they include new gas taxes. And I will continue to refrain from straight ticket voting, since that is simply delegating your voting thought process to somebody else.
In Illinois, our libertarians are often crooks too. Then what should I do? |
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| To: Sun Tzu who wrote (70793) | 10/22/2003 12:07:57 PM | | From: Lazarus_Long | | | | But it does go to show the pressures are on both sides.
THere are lots of pressures in lots of situations in life. They hardly justify the extreme step of murder.
Are you Middle Eastern? You seem to be trying to put up a spirited defense of some rather barbarous customs.
Dig a bit deeper and you will see it is about how the society equally forces the men and women to play their rolls wether they like it or not.
Nuts. Society forces you to do nothing, not even obey its laws. You merely have to be willing to take the consequences of not doing so.
Remember Gandhi? Martin Luther King?
If it hurts so badly, don't do it. It doesn't. Not really.
Lame attempt at a personal attack.
There you go again discussing murder.
But we were discussing murder.
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What do YOU call that if not murder?
What of this?
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You want to show me where I said that?
Give me a challenge next time.
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The issue is purely cultural and not religious.
Solon's shown up. He's much better at this than I. I'll leave this part to him.
Given a choice between Quran and Torah
False dichotomy. If anything, the West is primarily Christian, not Jewish. |
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| To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70875) | 10/22/2003 12:24:21 PM | | From: zonder | | | | Is honor killing different but not necessarily bad?
Killing a person, whatever the reason, is "bad" in my book.
That includes state-sanctioned killing, which I believe your country still practices at this day and age.
What I am trying to say is that judging a culture/society/nation and its way of life by a few horror stories you pick and choose.
Honor killings happen in the least educated and most conservative places of the Middle East. It is certainly not common practice everywhere. There was one such honor killing in Southeastern Turkey that I read about a few months ago, but in Turkish cities, girls and boys hold hands & kiss in the streets and nobody kills anyone.
I am trying to tell you that judging a whole culture on a couple of incidents you read in a paper does not give you a correct impression of that culture. Yes, "honor killings" are "bad". No, that doesn't make the Middle East a horrible place.
There are examples of conservative communities killing their own because of their belief systems/traditions everywhere. Amish refuse vaccinations and their kids die as a result. Now isn't that "bad"? Yes. Does that make America a horrible place? No.
Wife beating?
I hope you are not trying to say wife-beating happens only in the Middle East. |
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