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To: Doren who wrote (9777)11/19/2019 12:07:55 PM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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You know what I'm referring to when I say socialism/communism don't work, I'm referring to the ECONOMY. Controlling the means of production.

There has never been a socialist or communist economy that has ever worked, not in the history of the world. If you care to differ, please cite an example. I'll then show you Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, etc. and the devastating effects attempts at socialist/communist economies have had on their people.

If you try to bring up China, they are, of course, a capitalist economy, and then I'll point to all the violence and unrest in Hong Kong right now.

But you already know this.

Of course government is socialist, some things should be, like the military, the roads, the sewers, etc. Just as you say.

I love the fact you went to bat like that for your mom. Out of curiosity, did you say you'd be the only one picketing or did you threaten to bring an army of friends as well? I know you could. :-)

As you know, I'm also a libertarian, but with limits. For example, I don't believe we ought to supply all the currently illegal drugs to people for cheap or free and just let them have at it. Hard drugs are destroying families and killing people by the tens of thousands in the U.S. every year. Making the drugs legal, cheap or free will only exacerbate that problem. It's disgusting.

I would love it it if your healthcare for all plan with vouchers would work, I'd just like to see the plan.

By the a side note, I highly recommend checking out Elizabeth Warren's website and her plans. I don't agree with much she is proposing, but I am impressed with her efforts and those of her staff:

For some amusement, try this link:

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9772)11/19/2019 1:08:44 PM
From: handyman
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What part? Predictions of polar bears extinction and or do you have questions that they are proliferating.

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To: Doren who wrote (9775)11/19/2019 1:14:15 PM
From: handyman
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And it is proceeding faster in your estimation so we will reach the point of no return for the planet Drum roll please Doren say when?

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To: handyman who wrote (9780)11/19/2019 2:16:48 PM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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Yes, do you have some link(s) to provide showing polar bear populations are on the rise, are no longer considered threatened or endangered, something of that nature?

An example of some Russian town being invaded by polar bears doesn't count, just fair warning.

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9782)11/19/2019 3:04:57 PM
From: handyman
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? First polar bear spotted off the ice in Western Hudson Bay is fat and healthy
10 fallacies about Arctic sea ice & polar bear survival: teachers & parents take note ?

Polar bears are thriving despite global warming: this short essay explains why
Posted on July 11, 2019 | Comments Offon Polar bears are thriving despite global warming: this short essay explains why
This essay explains in simple terms why so many people still believe that polar bears are in peril when nothing could be further from the truth: it is an essential lesson that shatters the basis of the shameful indoctrination of young school children and undermines the baseless claims of activist protestors. It was written and translated into French for a special climate change feature issue (July) of the monthly French magazine Valeurs Actuelles (reviewed here) and reprinted by the French hunting magazine Chasses Internationales. It has also been translated into German for a dedicated climate change issue (11 July) of the Swiss weekly magazine Die Weltwoche.

I have added a couple of figures to illustrate this English version of the essay.

There is a huge disconnect between public perception of the conservation status of polar bears and the present-day reality. That is because the polar bear was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future survival rather than current conditions of living populations. Polar bear conservation status is a special case.

By the late 1980s, studied populations of polar bears had more than doubled in size since international protection against over-hunting was provided in 1973. By 1993, the average size of the global population was estimated to be about 25,000 and in 1996, the species was removed from the IUCN Red List of Threatened and Endangered Species. Polar bears had been saved.

But in 2005, new concerns were raised about possible effects from predicted loss of Arctic sea ice due to human-caused global warming. In 2008, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) listed polar bears as threatened under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). For the first time ever, biologists used untested computer models of future polar bear survival that depended on untested predictions of summer sea ice loss over the 21st century.

These models concluded that the global polar bear population would decline 67% by mid-century. Out of nineteen designated subpopulations worldwide, ten subpopulations were expected to be wiped out when summer sea ice routinely fell to 42% or less of 1979 levels. From the global population estimate of 24,500 that these researchers used for their calculations, only 8,100 bears were predicted to remain by 2050 and by the end of the century, the species was expected to be near extinction.

In 2007, US government biologists predicted that when summer sea ice declined by 42% from 1979 levels, all of the polar bears in the green and purple regions of the Arctic would be wiped out, leaving only about 8,100 remaining.

However, the dramatic decline in summer sea ice came much sooner than expected. By 2007, it was already underway. Sea ice levels not expected until 2050 have existed virtually every year since then.

Yet, the latest population assessment conducted by the IUCN Red List in 2015 generated an estimate of 26,000 bears (22,000-31,000). Surveys conducted since that time would bring the global total to about 28,500 – about a 16% increase. Because this increase since 2007 is not a statistically significant amount, the most conservative interpretation of this situation is that the population size has not changed despite the dramatic decline in summer ice. Moreover, against all expectations, in regions where sea ice has been the most pronounced (in the Barents and Chukchi Seas), bear are thriving: they are abundant, in good condition, and reproducing well.

Only in the Southern Beaufort Sea off Alaska has a statistically significant decline in polar bear numbers been recorded since 2007. However, this region has unique sea ice characteristics: thick spring ice conditions develop for two or three years every ten years or so. The thick and compacted ice drives pregnant seals away before they give birth and creates spring food shortages for bears. Especially severe thick ice conditions were known to have happened in 1974-1976 and again in 2004-2006, causing short-term declines in polar bear numbers. The temporary effect of these events on the survival of polar bears and abundance of seals is well documented in the scientific literature.

However, the predictable and devastating effects of the thick ice conditions of 2004-2006 were not taken into account when population estimates were made for the Southern Beaufort in 2007 (or in 2015, when a revised count was done). Polar bear researchers in 2007 blamed the documented starvation and poor survival of bears in 2004-2006 on summer sea ice loss caused by global warming. To this day, these researchers and others continue to make such claims and falsely suggest that population numbers have remained at depleted levels since 2010.

In conclusion, the polar bear is thriving with almost 50% less sea ice than existed in 1979 with little evidence that catastrophe for the species awaits. On the contrary, many Arctic residents complain there are now too many bears for human safety.

Dr. Susan Crockford is a University of Victoria (British Columbia, Canada) zoologist who specializes in Holocene mammals, including polar bears and walrus. Her new book is The Polar Bear Catastrophe That Never Happened (Amazon).

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To: handyman who wrote (9783)11/19/2019 4:10:01 PM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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Thank you! It's that kind of posting we need, you really went to town there.

My overall point is it's so hard to know what to believe and what the actual truth is in matters like this.

As always, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Fallacies, shaded truths and outright lies are every day occurrences on the internet. Unless you take a deep dive and do your own research, it's so difficult to know what is true and what isn't because it's too easy for the media to distort things for their own agenda.

That's true on both the liberal and conservative sides.

Thanks again, now I will get to reading all of that post. I'm sure I'll feel like I have a more well-rounded view of the whole argument then and be able to draw my own conclusions.

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From: J.F. Sebastian11/19/2019 9:36:13 PM
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Resident SI troll and communist, sylvester80, finds his company of choice (the one he works for), Google, doublng down on being scummy:

Google Shakes Up Its 'TGIF'—and Ends Its Culture of Openness

Amid leaks and protests, CEO Sundar Pichai is drastically shrinking the company-wide meeting that was once a symbol of Google's idealism.

Last week, Google CEO Sundar Pichai sent an email blast to his 100,000 or so employees, cutting back the company’s defining all-hands meeting known as TGIF. The famous free-for-alls had epitomized the company’s egalitarian ethos, a place where employees and leaders could talk freely about nearly anything. More recently, however, the biweekly meeting had become fraught as it increasingly reflected Google’s tensions as opposed to its aspirations. “It’s not working in its current form,” Pichai said of what was once the hallmark of Google culture. In 2020, he declared, the meetings would be limited to once a month, and they would be more constrained affairs, sticking to “product and business strategy.” Don’t Be Evil has changed to Don’t Ask Me Anything.

More at:

J.F.'s take: Big shocker.

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9779)11/20/2019 3:00:01 AM
From: Doren
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As I implied... socialism works to a varying degree, depending on what is socialized and how corrupt the government is.

Capitalism has its bugs too. Colonialism for example. Child labor. Depressions. Economic inequality.

It was just going to be me picketing.

Actually Biden came out smelling like a rose at the impeachment hearings today.

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To: handyman who wrote (9781)11/20/2019 3:04:48 AM
From: Doren
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I'm not a scientist. I don't make scientific predictions. Scientists look at data, propose theories that explain data, and then test the theories.

Its humorous that rightists believe that only ONE kind of scientist got together to make up global warming. Its humorous that you think people who work for major universities and government institutions, and who have jobs that pay quite well, and are not going to be replaced... have a good reason to all get together and make up a big lie... world wide. All the other scientists, chemists, physicists, mathemeticians, statisticians... haven't figured out a good lie yet?

But then the right have been denying science since Galileo...

But... you believe in a guy who lies daily...

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To: Doren who wrote (9786)11/20/2019 7:59:22 AM
From: Winfastorlose
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You are living in an alternate reality. Socialism has never worked. It's history is abhorrent on a national scale (very small experiments of totally willing participants has met with moderate success such as Israeli Kibbutzes). .. Soviet Union, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Argentina, Cuba...There has also been income inequality. The ruling class lives like kings while everyone else is a peasant. Child labor? Ever heard of China? Depressions? How about permanent depression? We could talk about this until the cows come home.

Where did you learn your history? At Unicorn University?

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