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To: Doren who wrote (9765)11/18/2019 10:32:39 PM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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What about all the birds of prey and other species killed by those giant windmills?

audubon.org

Seems like there's always a trade off...

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9757)11/19/2019 2:13:27 AM
From: sinclap
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Wait times for cardiologists are as worse too.

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From: J.F. Sebastian11/19/2019 8:05:00 AM
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Google’s Totally Creepy, Totally Legal Health-Data Harvesting

Google is an emerging health-care juggernaut, and privacy laws weren’t written to keep up.

theatlantic.com

(originally posted on the main Alphabet/Google thread by Julius Wong)

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To: Doren who wrote (9763)11/19/2019 10:12:07 AM
From: handyman
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So to be clear you are predicting mass starvation from crop failure and no more fish worldwide. I wonder if you could put an approximate time to that dire prediction.

I am curious because these same calamitous predictions were made 70 years ago about the great freeze and 40 years ago about the great warming.

I’ll give you my prediction. Not only will the climate change but it is wholly in line with the history of the planet and that the small infinitesimal warming that will take place will be a boom to farmers and fisheries around the globe.

This is much like the boom it has been to the polar bears who were predicted to be extinct by now but are instead thriving in great numbers.

The boogie man of CO2 is a scientific hoax and in fact will be seen as a savior to the planet rather than a menace that causes catastrophe but that is for another time when I will likely be a distant memeory of having even existed on the planet.

In any event I wonder how you live your daily life in terms of family and yourself thinking that the planet is on borrowed time. If I thought that way I’d have trouble sleeping at night.

I often think of all the information Obama had to these scientists and he is a very smart man. Why do you think he has invested millions of dollars in beach front property in Martha’s Vineyard.

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To: handyman who wrote (9771)11/19/2019 10:30:17 AM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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This is much like the boom it has been to the polar bears who were predicted to be extinct by now but are instead thriving in great numbers.
Got a link for that?

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9772)11/19/2019 10:46:36 AM
From: lucky_limey
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its well known.....
polarbearscience.com

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9768)11/19/2019 11:06:25 AM
From: Doren
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Yes there's always a trade off with everything except living simpler lives.

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To: handyman who wrote (9771)11/19/2019 11:12:12 AM
From: Doren
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> I am curious because these same calamitous predictions were made 70 years ago about the great freeze and 40 years ago about the great warming.

I'm curious too... I hear that from climate deniers... I'd like to see some of those predictions.

In any case, as you MIGHT have noticed, science has gotten more sophisticated.

Our phones are way faster than the most powerful computers 40 years ago, let alone 70, and climatologists are using super computers now and better algorithms... That's why you're flying in jets now no prop planes.

An so far they've gotten it pretty right except global warming is proceeding faster due to things like less ice at the poles reflecting less light, and methane escaping from thawing permafrost.

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To: Doren who wrote (9774)11/19/2019 11:19:46 AM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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Unfortunately, that's impossible due to human nature.

The sea change it would take for the developed world's population to want simpler lives and less tech isn't likely to happen unless or until the majority of the the populace wants it.

It's human nature to "do better than, be better than" your neighbor or friend. It'd be nice if that utopia actually existed, it just isn't reality.

It's why socialism/communism never work, they go against human nature and the powers that try to set it up always, ALWAYS want to live high on the hog once they get a taste.

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (9776)11/19/2019 11:37:42 AM
From: Doren
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Yes that's why I'm skeptical anything will be done.

You are incorrect about socialism though. ALL government is socialist. We have socialist roads, socialist military, socialist nuclear power plants.

Johnny come lately Libertarians are really selfish economic anarchists... I would not want to live in that world which would or will be more like feudalism, rule of the powerful with no democracy. Real Libertarians advocate a minimum of socialism... and some like me advocate socialism only where it would work better, as it has according to statistics in Canadian medicine, and medicine throughout the "socialist" countries of northern Europe. I know Canadians are 2x as happy with their system as we are and I suspect most of the "socialist" countries where everyone is covered are happier.

Anecdotally you can find problems in every system. SI Ron (Soup Nazi)'s experience in Canada is similar to my mom's in the US. Kaiser kept promising her new knees. Like a lot of people from her generation she was taught to never question doctors and they kept putting her off, for months and months she was in great pain, until I finally got fed up and threatened to picket Kaiser with a sign that said "Kaiser is trying to kill my mom"...

Socialist Medicine or Medicare for all does have some problems obviously as does any system. The big problem is having enough or attracting enough doctors, nurses. We do that with money. Bureaucracies by their nature expand, whether government or corporate. The simple answer to that problem is vouchers, which tend to reward the most efficient systems.

Without socialist medicine triage breaks down into a system where the rich butt in front of everyone else and medicine revolves around cosmetic surgery, boob and penis implants and extending life for the rich. Heaven help the middle class if that happens.

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