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   PoliticsFormerly About Apple, Inc. Unmoderated


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To: Doren who wrote (8336)6/15/2019 6:58:36 PM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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I find it funny that there is any Chinese nationalism, other than the fake kind China's citizens have when forced to for appearance. I can only surmise that living under that kind of oppression and misinformation since birth means they don't know any different, so it's easier to believe their government knows best and that the West is decadent.

Since China's government has walled off the internet from the rest of the world, it's people have no source of news except that sanctioned by their government.

I can believe employees of the government or of companies with close ties to it would be in a bad position if they use iPhones, but that's pretty amazing if the population in general has suddenly turned on Apple as well because of the trade war and nationalism.

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To: Doren who wrote (8336)6/15/2019 8:27:14 PM
From: lucky_limey
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Not only China... sales are down all over Europe, non China Asia and in India - the 2nd largest market... Apple is virtually nom existant... Sales are low in S. America and falling in the US. Sales failures are most dramatic where Chinese phones are now competing with price and innovation. AAPL has nothing... neither is it talking about anything! Except video content... somrtime in the future.

I think that AAPL has already punted.... As the Chinese say... AAPL has a looser mentality.

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (8337)6/15/2019 10:01:24 PM
From: Doren
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> I can only surmise that living under that kind of oppression

It is my very strong suspicion that a large percentage of ANY population prefers to be told what to believe.

It is genetic IMO. It explains why people believe things that are obviously not true. It explains why people from a civilized well educated nation would embrace Hitler or trump. These are the people susceptible to propaganda and advertising.

Its a bell curve.

At the opposite end are people completely immune to propaganda. Most people dwell somewhere in between.

No doubt in my mind that hundreds of million in China totally support their dictatorship.

> amazing if the population in general has suddenly turned on Apple

A large portion of China thinks the west caused China to fall behind economically and technologically. There are very good historical reasons for them to believe that.

Tea, opium and Great Britain. Japan as it is allied with the west which if you think about it has been the case since WWII.

So its not so sudden... trump is a catalyst and Apple is symbolic, first of wealth, now of western oppression.

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To: lucky_limey who wrote (8338)6/15/2019 10:07:51 PM
From: Doren
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I wouldn't say Apple has a looser mentality.

However the basis of their success is tenuous. At first it was the superiority of their transition to UNIX. Then their embrace of the mini-hard drive, then the phone and iOS. They did have better usabilty but its always been almost an after thought to them while "elegance" has always been what they thought was their advantage.

Now though everyone else has caught up except on security. That's keeping them alive. I suspect Google will solve that problem using AI.

I personally think they missed their chance to capture a much larger part of the computer market, due to greed and tunnel vision on iPhones.

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To: Doren who wrote (8340)6/17/2019 2:29:45 AM
From: clochard
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Apple will release an even more expensive iPhone 11 and expect everyone to buy it or one of its older models. Imagine buying an iPhone 7 now because its the only one you can afford (or want to spend the money on). They will be superseded just like in the 90's with their expensive junk.

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To: clochard who wrote (8341)6/17/2019 2:44:06 AM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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Really, are you privy to Apple's marketing and pricing decisions around the iPhone 11, or are you simply speculating the next iPhone will be even more expensive? Pretty sure it's the latter.

If you have inside information, do tell!

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (8342)6/17/2019 3:01:22 AM
From: clochard
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news.softpedia.com

news.softpedia.com

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To: clochard who wrote (8343)6/17/2019 3:50:49 AM
From: J.F. Sebastian
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The first article doesn't mention anything about a price for the iPhone 11, only expected features.

The second article is about a company that say it can hack Android and iOS devices, again not mentioning any pricing info for the upcoming iPhone.

They are non sequiturs to the question I asked.

Stop wasting my time.

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To: J.F. Sebastian who wrote (8344)6/17/2019 5:43:11 AM
From: clochard
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Let's see how long AAPL holds up when every big fund decides to dump it in the face of lowered guidance and the global slump.

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To: clochard who wrote (8345)6/17/2019 1:37:32 PM
From: lucky_limey
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I am thinking that a proper trade agreement with China will have to give Chinese companies access to USA markets.... just as we demand acess to theirs. That will be a disaster for AAPL

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