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   Non-TechCEF Closed End Fund Investing


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To: CusterInvestor who wrote (31)12/17/2020 9:50:16 PM
From: the traveler
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I have quite a few cef's but things are so high now nothing hits my buy list presently. Mainly use them for income--have held some for years at a time. Do trade from time to time though.

Currently holding--FAX, AWF, BIT, UTF, HIO, EOI, GHY, FFC, RQI, MFD, HIX, JPS, DFP, PCI, DSL

Have held initial buys in some of these many years. Good luck.

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To: brehm233 who wrote (33)12/17/2020 9:54:45 PM
From: the traveler
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excellent--add to that a nice current discount to NAV and that's about all I do. I admit however, I am always looking for more yield.

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To: brehm233 who wrote (33)12/20/2020 12:01:34 PM
From: the traveler
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>>>You can reduce the field if
eliminate all selling at premium
eliminate all whose NAV is below ipo value
look only at 6+% yielders<<<


Do you have a screening tool that screens for the above criterion? In particular one that can eliminate cef's with NAV below IPO value?

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To: the traveler who wrote (36)12/20/2020 12:49:20 PM
From: brehm233
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no, we just manually go through any we are interested in.
have not tried CEF screening tools, so dont know what is available...

good luck

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To: the traveler who wrote (36)12/20/2020 1:42:30 PM
From: CusterInvestor
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I have started using this screener. It is some awkward to use, but when you select criteria, you can check more than one box. For example, I checked for monthly payers, selling at a discount (checking all the boxes from zero down), and paying 7 percent or higher. It provided a list of 72 funds.

cefconnect.com

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To: CusterInvestor who wrote (38)12/20/2020 10:39:14 PM
From: the traveler
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thanks--will check it out.

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To: brehm233 who wrote (37)12/20/2020 10:40:00 PM
From: the traveler
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thanks. i do it the same way.

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To: brehm233 who wrote (33)12/21/2020 8:25:22 PM
From: the traveler
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Did some preliminary analysis----Not sure how this will line up.

# (DISC)/
TICKER D FUND NAME PRICE NAV INCP YLD INCP PREM
I 12/18/20 12/18/20 NAV 12/18/20 DATE 12/18/20
S
T
SRV 12 Cushing MLP & Infras Tot Return 22.61 29.27 19.06 6.37% 8/27/2007 (22.75)%
GDV 12 Gabelli Dividend & Income 21.28 24.61 19.06 6.20% 11/28/2003 (13.53)%
GGZ 4 Gabelli Global Small & Mid Cap Value Tru 12.56 15.04 12.00 5.10% 6/23/2014 (16.49)%
GRX 4 Gabelli Healthcare & Wellness Trust 11.78 13.66 8.00 5.09% 6/19/2007 (13.76)%
GAM 1 General American Investors 36.73 43.54 10.00 6.80% 2/1/1927 (15.57)%
RMT 4 PIMCO Energy & Tactical Credit Oppst 10.00 11.69 7.25 6.00% 12/14/1993 (14.46)%
RVT 4 Royce Value Trust 16.23 18.47 10.00 6.16% 11/19/1986 (12.13)%
SOR 4 Source Capital 40.40 44.91 16.00 6.34% 10/24/1968 (10.04)%
HQH 4 Tekla Healthcare Investors 23.28 26.09 10.00 8.25% 4/23/1987 (10.77)%
CEE 1 The Central and Eastern Europe Fund 25.00 29.00 16.74 5.85% 3/6/1990 (13.81)%
INF 4 The India Fund Inc 19.97 22.35 14.02 8.41% 2/23/1994 (10.65)%

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To: the traveler who wrote (41)12/21/2020 8:57:18 PM
From: brehm233
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Just lets assume the market knows more than i do, so it already has considered, hedgings, quality of issues own, leverage, interest rate swaps,liability of location of issues, etc....
so the distributions rate versus the dis/ premium should tell us something regarding how the perceived market price is determined???
just thoughts, anyone thoughts...tia

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To: Kapusta Kid who wrote (19)3/6/2021 12:46:27 PM
From: Max2.0
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I have about 10 CEFs and about half are Equity CEFs. My position is that ROC is mostly meaningless in itself. The important metric for me is NAV. If it goes up or is constant over time, then all is well. If there is a consistent downward trend over time, then that is a red flag and I will avoid starting a position.

In a CEF with declining asset value, I may look at ROC to analyze/determine if the fund is over distributing (IE: Destructive ROC).

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