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To: teevee who wrote (4314)12/6/2016 9:57:54 PM
From: Bilow
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Hi teevee; Are you saying that the frogs come back to life??? Hard to believe. I have to look that up...

"After being frozen for years many metres down in the permafrost, the Siberian salamander can thaw out, get up and run off. Local legend has it that some may have been frozen alongside mammoths in the Pleistocene age – and still come to life when thawed out. Much as scientists would love to have a specimen of DNA from an organism that lived so long ago, the legends are unlikely to be true. Although frozen salamanders have been found in layers of ice 14 metres down, which were deposited in the Pleistocene age more than 12 000 years ago, they probably fell to this depth much later, through deep cracks in the permafrost."

newscientist.com

-- Carl

P.S. On the subject of the instantly frozen mammoths, the places where rivers deposit stuff is on the in side of turns. And they erode on the out side with the result that rivers end up with bows. These eventually pinch off and make lakes, and in cold regions, without the moving water of the river, the lakes freeze to permafrost. These are what are mined for fossil ivory.

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To: Bilow who wrote (4315)12/7/2016 10:30:08 AM
From: teevee
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yes, the "permafrogs" came back to life.

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To: teevee who wrote (4316)6/2/2017 4:32:21 PM
From: Rocket Red
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Hundreds of Huge Craters Discovered in the Arctic Ocean

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/hundreds-of-huge-craters-discovered-in-the-arctic-ocean/ar-BBBQbkl?li=AAggFp5&ocid=UE12DHP

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To: Rocket Red who wrote (4317)6/4/2017 12:33:42 PM
From: Sdgla
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12K years ago the ice sheet melted.. now what would have caused that ?

The answer will likely lie in ice cores taken about 12,000 years ago, when the Barents Sea ice sheet melted.

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From: arno7/16/2017 12:49:31 AM
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wattsupwiththat.com

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From: i-node11/25/2017 2:33:27 PM
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What Would Robert K. Merton Say About Scientists who Sue?

thehonestbroker.org

Interesting article to me as I've been reading about the great physicists around late 1800s-early 1900s and their quests to deal with the wave/particle duality. And it has struck me on multiple occasions that these greats disagreed about fundamental ideas yet were able to use those disagreements to further the science.

Hard to imagine some of these half-scientist/half-jokers doing that today.

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From: Thomas A Watson1/10/2019 12:50:54 PM
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An interesting article on the science of astrology, whoops I mean on the science of Climate Models.

A Sea-Surface Temperature Picture Worth a Few Hundred Words!
Anthony Watts / 18 hours ago January 9, 2019

We covered this paper when it was first released, here is some commentary on it – Anthony

Guest essay by By PATRICK J. MICHAELS

On January 7 a paper by Veronika Eyring and 28 coauthors, titled “Taking Climate Model Evaluation to the Next Level” appeared in Nature Climate Change, Nature’s journal devoted exclusively to this one obviously under-researched subject.

For years, you dear readers have been subject to our railing about the unscientific way in which we forecast this century’s climate: we take 29 groups of models and average them. Anyone, we repeatedly point out, who knows weather forecasting realizes that such an activity is foolhardy. Some models are better than others in certain situations, and others may perform better under different conditions. Consequently, the daily forecast is usually a blend of a subset of available models, or, perhaps (as can be the case for winter storms) only one might be relied upon.

Finally the modelling community (as represented by the football team of authors) gets it. The second sentence of the paper’s abstract says “there is now evidence that giving equal weight to each available model projection is suboptimal.”

A map of sea-surface temperature errors calculated when all the models are averaged up shows the problem writ large:



Annual sea-surface temperature error (modelled minus observed) averaged over the current family of climate models. From Eyring et al.

First, the integrated “redness” of the map appears to be a bit larger than the integrated “blueness,” which would be consistent with the oft-repeated ( here) observation that the models are predicting more warming than is being observed. But, more important, the biggest errors are over some of the most climatically critical places on earth.

Start with the Southern Ocean. The models have almost the entire circumpolar sea too warm, much of it off more than 1.5°C. Down around 60°S (the bottom of the map) water temperatures get down to near 0°C (because of its salinity, sea water freezes at around -2.0°C). Making errors in this range means making errors in ice formation. Further, all the moisture that lies upon Antarctica originates in this ocean, and simulating an ocean 1.5° too warm is going to inject an enormous amount of nonexistent moisture into the atmosphere, which will be precipitated over the continent in nonexistent snow.

The problem is, down there, the models are making error about massive zones of whiteness, which by their nature absorb very little solar radiation. Where it’s not white, the surface warms up quicker.

(To appreciate that, sit outside on a sunny but calm winters day, changing your khakis from light to dark, the latter being much warmer)

There are two other error fields that merit special attention: the hot blobs off the coasts of western South America and Africa. These are regions where relatively cool water upwells to the surface, driven in large part by the trade winds that blow into the earth’s thermal equator. For not-completely known reasons, these sometimes slow or even reverse, upwelling is suppressed, and the warm anomaly known as El Nin~o emerges (there is a similar, but much more muted version that sometimes appears off Africa).

There’s a current theory that El Nin~os are one mechanism that contributes to atmospheric warming, which holds that the temperature tends to jump in steps that occur after each big one. It’s not hard to see that systematically creating these conditions more persistently than they occur could put more nonexistent warming into the forecast.

Finally, to beat ever more manfully on the dead horse—averaging up all the models and making a forecast—we again note that of all the models, one, the Russian INM-CM4 has actually tracked the observed climate quite well. It is by far the best of the lot. Eyring et al. also examined the models’ independence from each other—a measure of which are (and which are not) making (or not making) the same systematic errors. And amongst the most independent, not surprisingly, is INM-CM4.

(It’s update, INM-CM5, is slowly being leaked into the literature, but we don’t have the all-important climate sensitivity figures in print yet.)

The Eyring et al. study is a step forward. It brings climate model application into the 20th century.

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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (4321)4/27/2019 5:21:49 AM
From: sense
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You knew it was inevitable, right.... that climate change "science" would lead to this...

Oxford University professor claims aliens are already breeding with humans on earth

Alien hybrids will "save Earth from annihilation from climate change."


“It may be more or less assumed that the hybrid project is a response to this impending demise of human civilisation.”


No word yet on what gender the aliens identify as...

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From: Carolyn8/7/2019 11:36:51 AM
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Carbon dioxide in perspective

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