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From: average joe7/29/2009 5:51:22 PM
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"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."
AYN RAND

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From: average joe7/30/2009 6:14:59 AM
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"Religion is a primitive form of philosophy, [the] attempt to offer a comprehensive view of reality." AYN RAND

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To: average joe who wrote (15)3/13/2010 3:29:27 AM
From: FJB
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My sister tells my mother she would like to die rather than experience the pain she is going through. My sister tells this to my mother several times a week.

If you are experiencing pain that makes you want to die, do you kill yourself or do you keep on going with pain that makes you cry in agony every moment of the day?

I used to be obsessed with me. My sister's pain has freaked me out. Watching her cry, moan and suffer makes me sick to my stomach and gives me head aches.

How does this relate to philosophy?

Our lives are totally meaningless if they are spent in unbearable pain. Watching my sister suffer makes me wonder if death is not the best thing for her.

I feel helpless...

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To: FJB who wrote (16)3/13/2010 10:46:34 AM
From: average joe
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"The greatest evil is physical pain."
Saint Augustine

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To: average joe who wrote (17)3/13/2010 5:08:10 PM
From: FJB
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If there were a way for me to have the pain, instead of my sister, I would do it. I say this without having experienced what she is going through. Watching a loved one suffer is something that makes you wonder about the purpose of life. It is certainly not to suffer like this. It is the anti-thesis of what you want from life...

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To: FJB who wrote (18)3/14/2010 12:33:12 AM
From: average joe
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When my dad was dying at home from cancer his friend a doctor left a bottle of morphine with me. I would give him a teaspoon on the hour. You have my deepest sympathy, it is painful watching a loved one die.

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To: FJB who wrote (16)3/18/2010 11:33:10 PM
From: Hawkmoon
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Our lives are totally meaningless if they are spent in unbearable pain. Watching my sister suffer makes me wonder if death is not the best thing for her.

I feel helpless...


I can totally relate to what you're enduring.. My father passed away this past June after battling complications from having a lung removed due to Mesothelioma. He spent 10 weeks in ICU before finally succumbing to renal failure.

Both my mother and I had to make the difficult decision to pull the plug and watch him die. Those are memories that will likely never be erased from my memory.

It's never easy.. And eventually they have to make the decision about their quality of life versus finding eternal peace.

Hawk

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To: average joe who wrote (19)3/20/2010 10:45:51 PM
From: FJB
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Here are a couple of age old questions. What is God? Do you believe in your construct of God?

Joke answers:

Q1. What is God?

Guy with white hair and beard that lives in the clouds. Have you not seen the art related to this.

Q2. Do you believe in your construct of God?

What is there not to believe. He shoots lightening bolts from his hands so you better believe...

Real answers:

Q1. What is God?

It is something created by people to explain everything that exists.

Q2. Do you believe in your construct of God?

Yes, there are times in life where you just have to say a prayer to your own existence and call it a blessing.

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To: FJB who wrote (21)3/20/2010 10:47:23 PM
From: FJB
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If they find the Higgs boson, none of this matters anyway...

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To: FJB who wrote (16)3/20/2010 11:46:37 PM
From: Sam
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My condolences, Robert. I've had several loved ones in similar positions. Very, very difficult.

I found that Tolstoy's short story "The Death of Ivan Ilych" spoke to this issue, although in it, the protagonist has his own pain to deal with rather than the pain of another person. And his "My Confession" talks about how he confronted his sense of the meaninglessness of life.

FWIW. Perhaps obviously, they won't speak to everyone.

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