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To: Benny-Rubin who wrote (5393)10/16/2019 7:08:12 PM
From: LoneClone
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Here in southern BC we are back in a familiar place for this time of year; the Argtic air has pulled back north leaving us facing the end of a firehose, with system after system coming off the Pacific.

You want rain? How about 20-35 mm a day (about an inch) day after day...

LC

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To: LoneClone who wrote (5395)10/16/2019 11:06:29 PM
From: Benny-Rubin
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That's fine,you can keep the pacific hose lol. We had a real soaker maybe 2 inches of rain and it all came in the afternoon. That should have helped water the lawns. Its clear now and the moon shining bright. Kinda windy now but not cold. :)

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From: LoneClone10/25/2019 2:33:14 PM
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It's been quite the morning in SW BC today.

We are coming out of a week of system after system coming in off the Pacific, dumping, depending on one's exact location, anywhere from 75 to 200 mm (3-8 in.) of rain.

This morning when I got up it was calm and cloudy, but after an hour or so a very powerful front, complete with torrential rain and gale force winds, took over.

A couple of hours later, it was suddenly dead calm without a cloud in the sky. This lasted for maybe an hour and then the wind suddenly kicked up with gusts to 100 kph. Reports of power outages and ferry cancellations have begun. When I look out the window tree debris, fortunately just fronds, leaves, and small branches, is flying horizontally through the air.

And suddenly I am hearing lots of sirens, luckily for me and my neighbours going right on by us.

Apparently by late this afternoon it will be calm again. That was quite the front!

LC

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From: EL KABONG!!!10/26/2019 4:53:09 AM
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Medicane headed for Egypt and Israel...

msn.com

EK!!!

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To: Drygulch Dan who wrote (5389)10/28/2019 4:28:23 PM
From: johnlw
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Dan
Whats your take on this latest wildfire disaster in California?
Are these homes and communities in areas that have never burnt before? No firesafe planning?
Or are these winds an anomaly the past three years?
The area has always been some sort of coastal dessert.....?

The numbers of people and amount of property impacted that come out of these fires is staggering. From afar it looks to me like that state has maxed out on population.

JW

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To: johnlw who wrote (5399)10/28/2019 5:22:54 PM
From: LoneClone
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My father and stepmother live in San Diego. The other they started to prepare for evacuation of his nursing home because the winds had blown up a sudden fire nearby, but luckily they got it under control during a lull.

Very scary!

LC

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To: johnlw who wrote (5399)10/28/2019 11:55:34 PM
From: Drygulch Dan
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There has been a long term trend in CA population going back to post WWII. At first Easterner American born population dominated immigrants to this state. Starting around the tight money times of the 1980s. California residents started migrating within the state and out largely driven by desires for improved quality of life issues. This was when people started leaving the suburbs for the abundant country opportunities where open land was more available, a lot of it hill country in natural state. Lots of oak forests with underlying brush. This trend continues through to today. People leave the suburbs selling out typically to foreign born workers who bring lots of wealth to the transfer pushing the value of the old ranch 3X2 tract housing through the roof. These new owners are the Chinese, Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, and many other ethnic groups.

So we have ended up with a generally older population living in more rural settings in a state that is typically extremely dry from late April to November/December every year. These people are not clearing their land and planting crops. They are often older retirees who have let their property and surrounding area over grow with brush and trees. Some are tree huggers of course but not all. The waves of retirees and people who get dissatisfied with the suburban lifestyle has increased over the decades. This trend has continued to increase with time.
On top of these trends has been the trend to do nothing about the forest due to the Smokey Bear philosophy of minimal fire use in forested areas. National Forest management also followed a do nothing approach to land management until recently when thinking started including fire as part of the over management plan.

The people don’t live in the forest but on the edge of it generally bellow the snow line, from sea level to about 4000 feet. The forest transitions from pine trees at around 4000 feet down to about 2000 then the oak trees start taking over and these grow down to about 100 feet. So the lowest hills still have big spreading oaks mixed with native grasses and other weeds. It takes work or money to clear land and maintain a low fire risk.

Now let dispel another idea. California is not fully built out. It’s population could double or triple easily depending on people’s tolerance for density of living. I’m seeing trends toward what I consider extreme density but other people either like it or are used to it. The Central Valley is prime agricultural land. Flat with rivers. Developers see it as land that should be developed turning it into expanding suburbs or increasing density living.

Wind is normal. Breaking power lines is a somewhat new phenomenon. A bankrupt PG&E is a new normal.
Thousands of home acquiring generators and multi day gasoline supply is a new normal that the state government will probably want to oversee somehow.

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To: johnlw who wrote (5399)10/30/2019 7:41:45 PM
From: EL KABONG!!!
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JW,

Here's an interesting article pointing out one aspect of California's wildfire disaster...

msn.com

My perspective on the problem:

California is largely a blue state, which means they are (pick your own favorite labels) liberals (as opposed to conservatives), Democrats (as opposed to Republicans), tax happy to support the open spending found in state government (as opposed to tax averse) and ecologically righteous (as opposed to how everyone else lives).

One of the biggest problems is the "I've got my piece of Heaven and now I'm going to legislate out of existence any opportunity you might have to get the same"... 30, 40, 50 and 60 years ago California was viewed as one of the best places to call home, and rightly so. An ideal climate, ideal living conditions, beaches and mountains, ample water for everyone, locally grown and harvested produce, other foods such as meats and fowl, fish, eggs and so on. The word got out and suddenly everyone wanted to move to California. They got too populous in some areas and existing residents responded by passing laws governing land usage, population densities, and water rights. They raised taxes time and time again. They did whatever they could (legally speaking) to discourage growth where their piece of Heaven was located, and this strategy was repeated time after time after time all over California. The mantra was "Welcome to California. Now go home!"... So urban housing became too expensive and then suburban housing became too expensive, and newcomers were forced to live farther and farther away from their urban employment.

The next piece was the (fictitious) California guide to ecology, which basically means that if we the residents don't like something then we won't let it happen and we'll wield the ecology hammer as an excuse to stop whatever it is. So, government land managers could not use things like controlled burns to avoid catastrophic wildfires. Some bug or animal or flora might become extinct in the process, so the government (as well as private developers attempting to clear lands) had to do extensive and expensive ecological reviews subject to court review and numerous appeals from ecological minded groups (the most well known being the Sierra Club) before they could even proceed with their respective projects. Many just gave up because they couldn't afford the costs of the court fight.

So what's left is millions of acres of land not properly managed from a perspective of wildfires. And then the climate has slowly changed over time. The once abundant rains didn't fall. Massive land areas dried up and became fuel for wildfires. One spark and ***poof*** everything's aflame...

EK!!!

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To: Drygulch Dan who wrote (5401)10/31/2019 9:24:55 AM
From: johnlw
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Thx Dan
The scale of development is hard to fathom from afar. Vacationing there, one isn't off the beaten path far enough to fully notice it.
The population of Canada is less than the state.

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To: EL KABONG!!! who wrote (5402)10/31/2019 9:33:01 AM
From: johnlw
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Thanks EK

Vicious cycle to break.
I have a friend who was involved in forestry management here in AB. Years before the Slave Lake and Ft. Mac fires he was part of a group that made recos for towns and cities in the boreal forest as far as fire prevention and management went. It was put in the corner cupboard and then the fires happened. Apparently a similar study is getting traction now.

Most of it was common sense, basic recos but no one had the will to implement them.

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