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To: Benny-Rubin who wrote (5387)10/16/2019 1:48:34 PM
From: EL KABONG!!!
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"Bomb cyclone" expected for northeast USA coastal area...

msn.com

EK!!!

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To: EL KABONG!!! who wrote (5392)10/16/2019 2:23:38 PM
From: Benny-Rubin
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Gotta tell ya that were rooting for this storm to give us plentiful rain. We have been in a drought since late August and lawns and wooded areas are parched. It started to rain here about 2 hours ago and of course there was a bad accident on the highway I was driving on. I was stuck for an hour on a 4 minute trip back from lunch. GRRRRrrrrRRRRRRRRR.

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To: miraje who wrote (5391)10/16/2019 3:26:37 PM
From: The Black Swan
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Sunlight must be a catalyst but maybe salinity also ?... from experience.. I inherited a garden plot.. where the previous guy (used to be a chef/maitre d' ) placed Styrofoam at the base of old plastic pickle barrels (God only knows why) .. I removed the pickle barrels and replaced with concrete discarded garbage cans from the University Campus (cut in half with a stone saw) where my plots are..

I removed the 45g barrels because they had started to decompose producing brittle SHARP shards on minor contact.. stabbing and cutting issues as I worked my plots... dangerous to ME... The barrels were largely intact after twenty plus years but brittle and hence dangerous... outdoors always and well weathered.. They were far more dangerous semi decomposed than whole... The styro at the base of each was not at all decomposed...

So maybe we need large ocean pens to decompose it .. like fish farms :) It sure ain't decomposing in the ground.. at any appreciable rate...

When I was a kid we had goldfish.. one day I came home and it was doing the I'm dying flat position swim and had a long green line halfway through it... It had eaten a piece of the plastic fern decoration .. That is the real hazard... the lack of decomposition is not nearly the major issue... unless there was enough to block sunlight to the ocean.. not a biggie that...

The plastics are a hazard to animal life... here.. Scary Mommy has a good spiel.. scarymommy.com

I had 10 large ones a couple half height (cut) like this to remove.. WTH I am going to do with them now ? They need to go to landfill and I will pay for disposal when I bring them... No alternative... :( Maybe I should take them to BC where they dump stuff into the ocean ? India is too far...

Uncut garbage cans and Finished product

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To: Benny-Rubin who wrote (5393)10/16/2019 7:08:12 PM
From: LoneClone
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Here in southern BC we are back in a familiar place for this time of year; the Argtic air has pulled back north leaving us facing the end of a firehose, with system after system coming off the Pacific.

You want rain? How about 20-35 mm a day (about an inch) day after day...

LC

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To: LoneClone who wrote (5395)10/16/2019 11:06:29 PM
From: Benny-Rubin
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That's fine,you can keep the pacific hose lol. We had a real soaker maybe 2 inches of rain and it all came in the afternoon. That should have helped water the lawns. Its clear now and the moon shining bright. Kinda windy now but not cold. :)

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From: LoneClone10/25/2019 2:33:14 PM
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It's been quite the morning in SW BC today.

We are coming out of a week of system after system coming in off the Pacific, dumping, depending on one's exact location, anywhere from 75 to 200 mm (3-8 in.) of rain.

This morning when I got up it was calm and cloudy, but after an hour or so a very powerful front, complete with torrential rain and gale force winds, took over.

A couple of hours later, it was suddenly dead calm without a cloud in the sky. This lasted for maybe an hour and then the wind suddenly kicked up with gusts to 100 kph. Reports of power outages and ferry cancellations have begun. When I look out the window tree debris, fortunately just fronds, leaves, and small branches, is flying horizontally through the air.

And suddenly I am hearing lots of sirens, luckily for me and my neighbours going right on by us.

Apparently by late this afternoon it will be calm again. That was quite the front!

LC

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From: EL KABONG!!!10/26/2019 4:53:09 AM
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Medicane headed for Egypt and Israel...

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To: Drygulch Dan who wrote (5389)10/28/2019 4:28:23 PM
From: johnlw
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Dan
Whats your take on this latest wildfire disaster in California?
Are these homes and communities in areas that have never burnt before? No firesafe planning?
Or are these winds an anomaly the past three years?
The area has always been some sort of coastal dessert.....?

The numbers of people and amount of property impacted that come out of these fires is staggering. From afar it looks to me like that state has maxed out on population.

JW

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To: johnlw who wrote (5399)10/28/2019 5:22:54 PM
From: LoneClone
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My father and stepmother live in San Diego. The other they started to prepare for evacuation of his nursing home because the winds had blown up a sudden fire nearby, but luckily they got it under control during a lull.

Very scary!

LC

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To: johnlw who wrote (5399)10/28/2019 11:55:34 PM
From: Drygulch Dan
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There has been a long term trend in CA population going back to post WWII. At first Easterner American born population dominated immigrants to this state. Starting around the tight money times of the 1980s. California residents started migrating within the state and out largely driven by desires for improved quality of life issues. This was when people started leaving the suburbs for the abundant country opportunities where open land was more available, a lot of it hill country in natural state. Lots of oak forests with underlying brush. This trend continues through to today. People leave the suburbs selling out typically to foreign born workers who bring lots of wealth to the transfer pushing the value of the old ranch 3X2 tract housing through the roof. These new owners are the Chinese, Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, and many other ethnic groups.

So we have ended up with a generally older population living in more rural settings in a state that is typically extremely dry from late April to November/December every year. These people are not clearing their land and planting crops. They are often older retirees who have let their property and surrounding area over grow with brush and trees. Some are tree huggers of course but not all. The waves of retirees and people who get dissatisfied with the suburban lifestyle has increased over the decades. This trend has continued to increase with time.
On top of these trends has been the trend to do nothing about the forest due to the Smokey Bear philosophy of minimal fire use in forested areas. National Forest management also followed a do nothing approach to land management until recently when thinking started including fire as part of the over management plan.

The people don’t live in the forest but on the edge of it generally bellow the snow line, from sea level to about 4000 feet. The forest transitions from pine trees at around 4000 feet down to about 2000 then the oak trees start taking over and these grow down to about 100 feet. So the lowest hills still have big spreading oaks mixed with native grasses and other weeds. It takes work or money to clear land and maintain a low fire risk.

Now let dispel another idea. California is not fully built out. It’s population could double or triple easily depending on people’s tolerance for density of living. I’m seeing trends toward what I consider extreme density but other people either like it or are used to it. The Central Valley is prime agricultural land. Flat with rivers. Developers see it as land that should be developed turning it into expanding suburbs or increasing density living.

Wind is normal. Breaking power lines is a somewhat new phenomenon. A bankrupt PG&E is a new normal.
Thousands of home acquiring generators and multi day gasoline supply is a new normal that the state government will probably want to oversee somehow.

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