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To: bentway who wrote (198421)8/24/2012 12:19:52 AM
From: Wharf Rat
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Ryan has a higher pro-life rating. I posted it yesterday. Ryan 100%, Akin 90%

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From: Wharf Rat8/24/2012 1:29:24 AM
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Willard has a new excuse for not releasing his taxes. We might find out he tithes to the Mormon Church. Give me a break.
Be a man, Willard. Tell us your dawg ate your taxes, and that's why he had to ride on the roof.

Romney says tax returns would publicize private Mormon tithing


By Thomas Burr| Religion News Service, Thursday, August 23, 12:41 PMAP



Mitt Romney says in a new interview that one of the reasons he’s distressed about disclosing his tax returns is that everyone sees how much money he and his wife, Ann, have donated to his Mormon church, and that’s a number he wants to keep private.

“Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given,” Romney tells Parade magazine in an edition due out Sunday (Aug. 26). “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It’s a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church.”




Romney has released his 2010 tax returns in his White House campaign and, so far, a summary of last year’s tax information. But despite pressure from Republican opponents in the primaries and President Obama’s re-election campaign, Romney has refused to disclose more.

While it may not be a major reason, Romney says disclosing his charitable donations isn’t something he wants to do.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are encouraged to donate 10 percent of their gross income to the faith, and Romney’s disclosure early this year shows he did just that and also forked over more through his family charity.

Romney pulled in more than $40 million in 2010 and 2011, his campaign reported, and paid about $4.1 million to the LDS church. That’s in addition to about $4.8 million his Tyler Charitable Foundation donated to the faith.

Over time, the Romneys, among the wealthiest Mormons, with a net worth of around $250 million, have likely doled out millions to their Salt Lake City-based faith. The LDS church has been referred to as one of the wealthiest in the world.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, a Romney surrogate who is also Mormon, says he understands the presidential candidate’s concern with releasing more tax information.

“There needs to be a certain degree of privacy,” Chaffetz says. “Who he gives money to personally should be his business.”

Chaffetz also says Romney shouldn’t have to make his donations an issue.

“It creates a tension for those who maybe received the generosity of those donations,” Chaffetz says. “That doesn’t necessarily need to be part of this campaign.”

While Mormons are asked to give 10 percent of their income to the church, officials do not ask for tax forms or pay slips to prove the amount is correct. Funds are used to build and maintain church buildings and temples as well as for its educational, missionary and welfare programs worldwide.

University of Utah political scientist Matthew Burbank says Romney may have a point about disclosing his finances since he never intended to make his LDS donations public.

“I can understand why you wouldn’t want that information out there,” Burbank says.

However, the professor points out, if Romney were to release more years of tax returns, journalists and opponents would likely be more interested in Romney’s wealth and where he parks his money.

“The amount of money given to the church is probably not going to attract the most attention,” Burbank says. “People will look at that and say that’s nice but it’s not likely to draw a lot of comment or concern.”

Romney also jokes in the Parade interview about the high cost of paying tithes, though Ann Romney notes how important it is to them.

“I love tithing,” Ann Romney tells the magazine. “When Mitt and I give that check, I actually cry.”

“So do I,” Mitt Romney adds, “but for a different reason.”

Ann Romney says tithing is an indication of how much faithful followers trust God and a way to show one’s love of the principle of sacrifice.

“And it teaches us not to be too, too tied to the things of the world,” she says. “And it is a very good reminder of how blessed we really are, and most of those blessings do not come from a financial source, but from the power above.”

Mitt Romney also refers to his time as bishop of a Mormon ward in Massachusetts when the interviewer asks how he, as a wealthy person, can identify with people who are just scraping by or living on food stamps.

“Each of us faces struggles of one kind or another,” Romney says. “Our life was not characterized by financial stress as much as it was by health issues. I served as a pastor of a congregation and saw people with various challenges and did my best to help them. I believe my experience in the private sector, the voluntary sector, and government has helped teach me what it takes to help people with different types of challenges.”

Parade is included in The Salt Lake Tribune on Sunday. The magazine says it will cover Obama in a coming issue.

washingtonpost.com

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (198415)8/24/2012 3:01:32 AM
From: Cogito
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No, I think we should discount it because the article, which is actually just an ad for the book, employs propaganda techniques, including but not limited to unsupported assertions, but displays nothing in the way of scholarship.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (198423)8/24/2012 3:04:46 AM
From: Cogito
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“Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given,” Romney tells Parade magazine in an edition due out Sunday (Aug. 26). “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It’s a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church.”
I'm sure Romney is happy that he has been able to pay such a low federal tax rate over the years, because that has enabled him to comfortably give more to his church. It's a matter of priorities, of course.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (198423)8/24/2012 7:12:02 AM
From: T L Comiskey
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Mittins..stands his ground


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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (198423)8/24/2012 8:45:49 AM
From: epicure
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That man is such a douche.

Other presidents have tithed, and managed to cough up their tax records.

He's trying to be both a sneaky little weasel about his tax records, and insinuate he's somehow more noble than the other presidents who did reveal their records because he's so generous. Geez. Get off the cross Mitten, and be honest.

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To: epicure who wrote (198418)8/24/2012 8:48:47 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water
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Thanks--for bringing me up to date on how the modern school system copes.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (198423)8/24/2012 8:50:46 AM
From: Sam
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Boy, Romney really does seem to be reshaping the Republican Party. I am pretty sure that the guy who expresses the following sentiments--a prolific winger blogger--was one of the many in the party who were "ABR" (Anyone But Romney) during the primaries:

As I listened to Romney, I asked myself: what better spokesman for conservative ideas have we had in recent years? I couldn’t think of any. You can go back to Reagan, of course. Reagan’s style was more cerebral, less passionate. He was a great articulator of conservatism, but no better, in my opinion, than Romney. Since Reagan? I can’t think of anyone. While Romney spoke, I was flanked by two of Minnesota’s most dedicated conservative activists and donors. I asked each in turn, what better spokesman for conservative principles has our movement had in recent years? Like me, they couldn’t come up with any.

powerlineblog.com

Remarkable. They simply wipe from memory any contrary statement the guy has made over the years or contrary position he has held. Or contrary position that they themselves held just a few months ago.

Talk about short memories....

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To: Cogito who wrote (198424)8/24/2012 8:51:08 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water
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Well, I admit it is a tease lead, but this doesn't necessarily mean the book is "full of it"--no?

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To: Sam who wrote (198429)8/24/2012 8:57:33 AM
From: epicure
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Look, the reps have wiped their own minds. Who doesn't remember how passionately sure they were about Iraq? Turned out to be a bullshit war, a bad idea, and a colossal waste of money. Are they in the streets doing Mea Culpas? Nope. These losers, almost to a man, can't own up to their poor decisions- they just move on and expect you to ignore the smell on their shoes. No wonder they like the Mitten- he's a lying sneak, who will totally screw up our country, so he's just like them.

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