| To: Sultan who wrote (341870) | 10/14/2021 10:22:00 AM | | From: Cautious_Optimist | | | | JMHO: Beware of American ultra-nationalism from the left-and-right extremes.
Americans have net-benefit from free and WELL REGULATED global trade. In the short-term there is always going to be local pigs-at-the-trough fighting change, as well as resistance to the transformation of labor - never easy if you are one of them who worked for decades in that factory making batteries, soap or canning tomatoes. That was the case in the 1980's forward in my area once dominated by smokestacks and various factories. Now, if well-planned, they are needed housing and parks.
Trade encourages the growth of foreign economies and human rights (the right to a decent job and to make a living for yourself and families) and reduces wars and refugees. That must be factored.
What happens to workers in developing countries who now have jobs? What happens when there is finally a demand for an educated workers other than men for physical labor and fighting?
People will argue that these foreign jobs are lower wages and that isn't "fair;" but for those people in other countries working for at a sustainable wage compared to the past it can be a ticket out of grinding poverty and a chance for women to escape a gendered caste including the traditional "jobs" in bars, brothels or the streets that any man who has travelled the developing world (socialist or "capitalist") can tell you about in a candid discussion.
Other industries thrive in Americans when prices of consumer goods are lower and people can afford to out to eat, or attend cultural events because they didn't go into debt every month due to the retail cost-of-USA-only goods.
Desperate immigrants might not be flooding if their home country are better developed. we must lose the demagoguery and manage free trade balanced with human rights. HUMAN rights have NO BORDERS.
Again, JMHO and clearly in the minority. |
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| To: abuelita who wrote (341873) | 10/14/2021 10:42:30 AM | | From: Cautious_Optimist | | | | Robots, like "automation" are the newest threat to jobs and gold to the permanent wealthy caste who own them.
Its an unstoppable force, the answer lies more in how the enhanced wealth (and justice) is distributed.
This is true in all countries in all phases of development.
A lot of it is in how we define basic human rights, and how we tax. In a way that doesn't shoot the goose laying the eggs in technological "progress." Infrastructure and education, nutrition, and a right to basic humane housing for example.
Still so-called Christain pro-lifer neocons+MAGA's still prioritize the INDIVIDUAL with killer guns over well-regulating the amoral market drifts, JUSTICE and community based solutions to social problems. |
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| To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (341874) | 10/14/2021 12:10:31 PM | | From: abuelita | | | | Other industries thrive in Americans when prices of consumer goods are lower and people can afford to out to eat, or attend cultural events because they didn't go into debt every month due to the retail cost-of-USA-only goods.
on the other hand, those people who lost their jobs will
not be able to afford the above. every job lost also creates
a ripple effect, and not a good one.
I may be engaging in tunnel vision, but I can relate to the
plight of the three people who were written about in the book
as well as the people in Mexico who are struggling to claw
their way out of poverty. |
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| To: abuelita who wrote (341872) | 10/14/2021 12:21:33 PM | | From: Sultan | | | | The Original Tweeter, RS Archer is a UK citizen, married to a French woman, have grownup kid and living in France. Has UK and EU passport etc.
He has been posting pre and post Brexit fiasco from way back and just scratching his head about why and how and what of Brexit.. Has posted a lot of stories about UK citizens who are blaming EU about post Brexit restrictions on residency etc.
A lot of British who voted for Brexit because they blindly believe every lie that was trotted out by the Conservative.. They still do.. No longer Great Britain it seems..
FWIW |
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| To: abuelita who wrote (341872) | 10/14/2021 1:06:50 PM | | From: TigerPaw | | | | | Once decline sets in I wonder if collapse is inevitable. The Roman empire began to fall apart in 200BCE but didn't collapse until 1200BCE, but it slowly lost territory and influence the whole time. It never recovered (The remnants are Armenia). China has gone through cycles of influence, but it's not clear to me if it went through a decline and recovered, or was replaced by a new culture. Teaching about the history of the world beyond North America and Europe was sadly lacking when I was in school. |
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| To: abuelita who wrote (341878) | 10/14/2021 1:26:01 PM | | From: Cautious_Optimist | | | | on the other hand, those people who lost their jobs will not be able to afford the above. every job lost also createsa ripple effect, and not a good one.
I totally see that reality.
That's where the free market human disposal flush must yield to compassionate intelligent government investment for a subsidized transformation of workers. A role for the amoral free market after intelligent (non-corrupt) government intervention. |
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| To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (341848) | 10/14/2021 1:29:41 PM | | From: Arthur Radley | | | | CO,
I agree with one caveat!
axiomspace.com
My son-in-law is a lead design engineer for Axiom's space laboratory that will be launched into space and orbit with actual astronaut/scientists on board.
Shatner and others can go to Disneyland and Disneyworld and get a much cheaper "joy-ride". |
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