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To: Bridge Player who wrote (72668)9/22/2004 7:17:41 PM
From: SiouxPal
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But I want to be loved.

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To: Captain Jack who wrote (72669)9/22/2004 7:19:30 PM
From: SiouxPal
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Yeah that windsurfing thing is a piece of cake compared to George riding his bicycle. Karl pre-installed training wheels for the rest of the campaign.


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To: unclewest who wrote (72674)9/22/2004 7:24:14 PM
From: John Carragher
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mary Mapes... fox broke another story i have not seen here yet. seems she was caught in a phone conversation with a prisoner in a state or federal prison making arrangement for him to mail a letter to cbs legal department.(legal letters go out unopen i assume) Mary mapes said she would intercept the letter and mail it back to the prison to another prisoner who was not to get mail. address would be from cbs legal department.

warden caught her violating laws , wrote to her and cbs excutives and said her rights to contact prisoner or write letters were suspended....

Appears this woman has no regard for the law , would break laws to get a story. She should not be working. What kind of excutives work at CBS? Does this organization have no values what so ever?

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To: gamesmistress who wrote (72659)9/22/2004 7:26:26 PM
From: SiouxPal
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I hope not also. Did you see Joe Biden on Hardball a few minutes ago? What do you think of his opinions?


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To: SiouxPal who wrote (72689)9/22/2004 7:27:31 PM
From: John Carragher
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CBS's Corporate Board Has Close Ties to Democrats

As CBS launches an alleged probe into the circumstances surrounding the forged documents case, questions are being raised about the impartiality of the network's investigation given the political affiliations of some of the members of the board of directors of Viacom, the parent company that owns the network.

Noting that corporate governance experts say the directors of Viacom have no choice but to take a key role in probing CBS's use of fake documents about President Bush's military record, the New York Sun reported Tuesday that the political leanings of Viacom's board has raised new concerns.

The paper reviewed the political leanings and contribution history of the Viacom board and the company's senior management.

The Sun notes that Viacom's chairman and chief executive, Sumner Redstone, for example, is a self-described "liberal Democrat" who has been "a prolific donor to Democratic campaigns."

Moreover, of Viacom's 13 board members, fully eight contribute primarily to Democratic candidates and party committees, while another two other members of the board, Joseph Califano and William Cohen, both held Cabinet posts under Democratic presidents.

"The board needs to be involved, so to speak, prophylactically," a business ethics specialist at the Conference Board, Ronald Berenbeim, told the Sun

"The exposure to risk for Viacom, even though CBS News is just one of many things that it owns, is very substantial," he said. "There's substantial risk to a major business operation for which they have ultimate oversight and responsibility."

An attorney experienced in conducting the kind of independent investigation CBS has been said to have launched says the board members have a duty to make sure CBS's reputation is not tarnished any more than it already has been.

"Dan Rather is obviously an important person. He's part of the brand," lawyer Jeffrey Kaplan of Skillman, N.J., told the Sun. "A board's duty in this situation is somewhat uncertain because the facts are so unique. But at a minimum, given what's at stake for CBS, the board would want to be involved in this to ensure the independence and the professionalism of the investigation to be conducted, because if that doesn't happen then this asset of great value to the Viacom shareholder, meaning CBS, could be imperiled."

Viacom spokesman Carl Folta told the Sun the board has not discussed the forged-documents flap and is unlikely to do so. "They have not had any deliberations on this, board deliberations, and as a board are not handling the situation, which is being handled totally at the news level by CBS," he said. "At Viacom, we just don't get involved in the news division."

He added that the political contributions of board members were not unusual. "As private citizens, board members at Viacom and others make donations to political parties and candidates all the time," he said, avoiding the question of why the overwhelming preponderance of their donations end up in liberal Democrat campaign kitties.

But Viacom's critics insist that Sumner Redstone, who has been running Viacom for nearly 20 years, set the liberal course at CBS that led to the fake document debacle.

"Why did Dan Rather think he could get away with this or stonewall it? You look at Sumner Redstone's political contributions," Cliff Kincaid of the conservative press watchdog group Accuracy in Media, asked the Sun. "It's clear he's a major donor to the Democratic Party."

In the past six years, Redstone has given $50,000 to Democratic campaigns and party committees, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. He gave the maximum $2,000 to Kerry's presidential campaign and supported Vice President Gore's 2000 presidential bid as well.

The only Republican candidates the Viacom chief has supported directly are Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, to whom he gave $2,000, and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who received $1,000 from him. Redstone also made donations to a Viacom political action committee that splits its donations fairly evenly between the parties.

"Rather must have felt comfortable, not only because this is his bias but because he knew the parent company was comfortable with this kind of frontal attack on Bush," said Kincaid, whose group the Sun says has tangled with CBS for years about its liberal-leaning news and entertainment programming.

Redstone's daughter and possible successor, Shari, has given exclusively to Democrats in recent years, though not as prolifically as her father. She has contributed to Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, as well as to the Democratic National Committee, the Sun reported.

According to the Sun, other donors to the Democrats on the Viacom board include two Boston attorneys, George Abrams and David Andelman; a Manhattan investor, Philippe Dauman; the chairman of Bear Stearns, Alan Greenberg; a law professor at Yeshiva University, William Schwartz, and the president of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Patricia Stonesifer.

In July, Leslie Moonves and Thomas Freston replaced Mel Karmazin, a prolific Democratic donor, as chief operating officers of Viacom. In the 2000 presidential campaign Moonves, who oversees CBS, gave $1,000 each to Al Gore and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.

Freston, who the Sun reports is a "regular presence at Democratic fund-raising events in New York," kicked in $2,000 to John Kerry's campaign and also has given nearly $30,000 to Democratic groups and candidates in the past six years.

A business professor at Columbia Universtiy, Meyer Feldberg, told the Sun that he doubted the Viacom board members would jeopardize the company to advance their own political views.

"Redstone runs an incredibly outstanding organization," Feldberg argued. "I'm very sure that the chairman and CEO would not allow the board of the company to be compromised by individual political agendas."

He added that he doesn't expect the directors to take formal action in connection with the scandal, but he said he could not imagine they would ignore it.

"In this particular case, because of the personalities involved and the issue, it's like the elephant in the tent," he said.

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To: LindyBill who started this subject9/22/2004 7:29:41 PM
From: Nadine Carroll
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Touted National Intelligence Estimate Out of Date
by Austin Bay

September 21, 2004

The "new" national intelligence estimate touted last week by The New York Times is drastically out of date.

According to the Times, the report from the National Intelligence Council "outlines three possibilities for Iraq through the end of 2005, with the worst case being developments that could lead to civil war."

Wake up the Beltway bureaucrats: The Iraqi civil war started in summer 2003, when a group hard-core Baath (and Sunni-dominated) holdouts decided their route to personal survival -- and possible track back to power in Baghdad -- was relentlessly savage violence.

Savage violence is the daily routine of the criminal gangs who run dictatorships large and small, so virtually everyone expected some degree of post-Saddam thug resistance. However, no one knew the Baath hardcore had so much money.

The biggest mistake the Iraq coalition made, however, was underestimating the power of criminal arrogance. That's a mistake we Americans make repeatedly -- whether the thug is Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Osama bin Laden or one of our own mob chieftains like John Gotti.

First the money: Saddam stole billions. How much of the trove remains? I don't think the Swiss, Persian Gulf and Asian bankers who helped him stash it know. Recall the crisp $600 million U.S. soldiers found in a building in Baghdad. No doubt stockpiles of Baathist cash remain hidden in Iraq and elsewhere in the region.

The Baghdad rumor mill says Baath warlords pay bombers anywhere from $1,000 to $3,000 per attack, so even a million dollars can buy a lot of bang. It also buys TV time. The thousands of trucks that successfully deliver goods in Iraq don't make CNN. The one that the mercenary bomber blew to bits does.

It's a strategic weakness every PR operative knows: TV demands drama. TV magnifies the thug's bomb.

And it also feeds the arrogance of criminal elites who never believe they'll be held accountable for their crimes. Here's an example of that arrogance: In late August, Iraqi cops and Coalition forces cornered one Ahmad T. Tahir (also known as Mohammad Bogy) at the wake of a man that Tahir murdered. Tahir used to work for Saddam's regime (possibly as an "enforcer").

When the police arrived, Tahir tried to flee into his victim's house and even tried to hide behind the daughters and wife of his victim. But the women began slapping Tahir and shoved him toward the security troops, who then arrested him. The women told the police that "he (Tahir) didn't think we could do anything to him, and that's why he was here." In street slang, Mohammad Bogy was strutting his stuff because he believed the fear he instilled put him beyond any law.

Thug arrogance is an all-too common feature of the world's hard corners, where the criminals have dominated for so long they are certain their iron wills and unmitigated violence will eventually cow all opponents. Scholarly strategists describe war as a clash of wills. The world's Mohammad Bogys have a lot of willpower -- and all too often it only breaks when Free World troops jam a rifle barrel into the cold amazement of their eyes.

"The Shia are sheep," is an Iraqi Sunni refrain. "The (Baath holdout) Sunnis say they've been in charge and they intend to stay in charge (in Iraq)," a U.S. analyst told me in July 2004. While the Sunni resistance isn't tribal in any strict sense, "... it's like our tribe always beats your tribe. If they just continue to do what they've always done (i.e., murder wantonly), eventually they prevail. That's what they think will win this (civil conflict) for them."

However, every month that passes the new Iraqi central government gets stronger. Prime Minister Iyad Allawi (a Shia) has proven he isn't a sheep.

When does arrogance turn to desperation?

I don't know -- perhaps Mohammad Bogy could give us an opinion. I do know the Baath thugs are attempting to manipulate the U.S. political cycle. If they continue to murder, they believe America will wilt and leave the new Iraqi government in the lurch.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (72625)9/22/2004 7:33:20 PM
From: LindyBill
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Best of the Web Today - September 22, 2004

Terror Advocate Stopped at Airport
A man who goes by the name Yusuf Islam, though he was born Stephen Georgiou and for a time went by the alias Cat Stevens, was prevented from entering the U.S. yesterday, the Associated Press reports. When Islam's name turned up on a government "watch list," his London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Bangor, Maine, where he was interviewed and given the boot on "national security grounds," according to the Homeland Security Department. The AP adds:

Officials had no details about why the peace activist might be considered a risk to the United States. Islam had visited New York in May to promote a DVD of his 1976 MajiKat tour.

Now it may be that barring Yusuf Islam from the U.S. is an overreaction. But consider these facts about the man the AP dubs a "peace activist":

As the AP's own report notes, "Islam drew some negative attention in the 1980s when he supported the Ayatollah Khomeini's death sentence against Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses."

Rolling Stone reported last year that Islam was denied entry into Israel because, according to the Jerusalem government, he donated tens of thousands of dollars to the terror group Hamas. In 2000, when Israel similarly denied him entry, he issued a statement: "At present I am supporting orphans in Hebron and all my donations in the past were given to humanitarian causes. I want to make sure that people are aware that I've never knowingly supported any terrorist groups--past, present or future." He did not specifically deny having funded Hamas, which according to Reuters among others is not a terrorist group. (Hat tip: Little Green Footballs.)

An AP update from today reports that "U.S. authorities think donations from Islam may have ended up helping to fund blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was convicted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing," as well as Hamas.
That second AP dispatch continues referring to Islam as a "peace activist" in this risible line: "The government official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said Islam was placed on a watch list after multiple intelligence sources in recent weeks indicated the peace activist may have associations with potential terrorists." (The Council on American Islamic Relations, for its part, calls Islam a "moderate and mainstream" Muslim.)

Along similar lines, consider this Dan Rather quote from last week's New York Observer: "Part of what reporters are supposed to do is ask questions, dig for facts and, when truths are found, share them with the public and, when called upon to do so, speak truth to power. This we did."

Sounds a lot like John Kerry preening Monday about his antiwar activities: "After serving in war, I returned home to offer my own personal voice of dissent. I did so because I believed strongly that we owed it those risking their lives to speak truth to power."

Terror advocates are "peace activists," and telling secondhand lies is "speaking truth to power." It's just another day in the fake but accurate world of American liberalism.

LL Cool W
American politics' "gender gap" appears to be narrowing, notes London's Daily Telegraph:

George W Bush is poised to re-write American political history with the help of tens of thousands of women such as Dina Murphy, a young mother from the swing state of New Hampshire.

By her own admission, Mrs Murphy is "not very political". In the last three presidential elections, she voted Democrat, most recently for Al Gore in 2000, and she was far from alone. . . .

This time, Mrs Murphy thinks she will be voting Republican. In a world made far more frightening by the September 11 attacks and the war on terror, she is looking for a president she can trust to keep her family safe. . . .

"I don't feel comfortable voting for Kerry," she said. "It's just a feeling, a comfort level. I trust Bush more to lead our country."

The New York Times takes note of the shift as well, reporting that its own poll last week found Bush leading Kerry 48% to 43% among female registered voters. "I don't define it as a problem,'' Kerry pollster Mark Mellman tells the paper. "I define it as an opportunity.'' Fake but accurate!

The Times says women are more fearful of terrorism than men and hints that the Beslan massacre may be hurting Kerry:

On Tuesday Mr. Bush, who has presented himself as the nation's defender in chief, spoke directly of the attack this month in Russia, where extremists killed more than 300 people, half of them children, at a school. In a speech at the United Nations, he mentioned a grieving mother whose son was safe but who had lost her nephew in the shooting.

"The Russian children did nothing to deserve such awful suffering and fright and death,'' Mr. Bush said.

Reader Tom Linehan offers this personal observation on Kerry's female troubles:

I am a "veteran" grass-roots Republican "activist." In other words I am no spring chicken. In this presidential election I have been taken aback by the animosity many woman express towards Kerry. I think it is a "woman's intuition thing." When I ask, I do not get a reasoned answer. There is something about Kerry that many women find repulsive.

And these are not the political junkies. Many in fact are apolitical. I have to remind many of them to vote. Some would miss the election if I do not stay on them.

We've noticed the same reaction to Kerry among some women of our acquaintance. And the truth is, we find Kerry viscerally off-putting too (though we could explain why if we had time). We guess this just goes to show what a sensitive guy we are.

He Must've Given Two Different Speeches

"As expected in a speech to fellow heads of state and diplomats, President Bush on Tuesday dispensed with the red-meat phrases beloved by his supporters on the campaign trail. . . . Instead, the president was conciliatory, intent to show that he can play with others. He didn't quite break out in Esperanto, but he spoke admiringly of the principles and values embodied by the United Nations."--editorial, Los Angeles Times, Sept. 22

"Mr. Bush delivered an inexplicably defiant campaign speech. . . . Even when he talked about issues of common agreement, like the global fight against AIDS and easing the crushing third-world debt, Mr. Bush seemed more interested in praising his own policies than in assuming the leadership of an international effort. The speech would have drawn cheers at an adoring Republican National Convention, but it seemed to fall flat in a room full of stony-faced world leaders. Mr. Bush has never exhibited much respect for the United Nations."--editorial, New York Times, Sept. 22

The World's Smallest Constituency
"Black Gay Republicans Break With Log Cabin Republicans, Endorse Bush"--headline, press release, Sept. 22

Kerry: How to Fight? Run Away!

"You all have been through an unbelievable month. Florida has showed America how to fight."--John Kerry, Sept. 21

"Millions of Floridians Told to Evacuate"--headline,, Sept. 3

The First Day of Fall
CBS appears to be setting Mary Mapes, producer of the discredited "60 Minutes" segment on President Bush's National Guard service, up to serve as the fall guy. Today's New York Times reports:

CBS News said yesterday that the producer of its flawed report about President Bush's National Guard service violated network policy by putting a source in touch with a top aide to Senator John Kerry.

"It is obviously against CBS News standards and those of every other reputable news organization to be associated with any political agenda," the network said in a statement.

"Dear Mary Mapes, The red dot is now on your head," writes blogger John Ellis in the latest of his open letters to the beleaguered producer. (Click through and scroll down for more.) "Today is 'tone shift day,' the day when the tone of voice of your CBS colleagues (especially your 'superiors') changes dramatically. There's a distinct chill in the air, so to speak. Because today is the day that they begin in earnest to try to ruin the rest of your life."

A CBS press release, meanwhile, announces that the network has appointed Dick Thornburgh, who served as attorney general in the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations (and who, as blogger Stephen Bainbridge notes, was the defendant in a 1994 lawsuit filed by Karl Rove), and Louis D. Boccardi, a former Associated Press CEO, to conduct its internal investigation of the scandal.

Dan Rather, meanwhile, is getting some highly dubious support--from Helen Thomas. "To me, the real issue is why doesn't the president tell us the truth?" American journalism's crazy old aunt in the attic said at a local college appearance, according to the Asbury Park (N.J.) Press. "Why doesn't he put out all the documents? Because he can't, because there are too many gaps."

The Associated Press reports that "former Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign heard but did not pursue allegations about George W. Bush's Air National Guard service, similar to the information in discredited documents aired by CBS News this month, a former campaign official said Tuesday."

So it seems Al Gore had higher standards of truth than do CBS, Helen Thomas and the Kerry campaign. Or maybe he just had better political judgment.

What Liberal Media?
The other day David Langworthy, op-ed editor of the Houston Chronicle, penned a candid op-ed piece in which he acknowledged that the "mainstream" media have a liberal bias:

For my money Fox news coverage is as down the middle as CNN's--or CBS's. . . . I would encourage more of my colleagues in the mainstream media to take a look at Fox regularly, as a matter of professional duty. It is an eye opener. It raises some honest questions about where the real political "mainstream" lives.

Well, it doesn't seem to live in the Chronicle newsroom. Last week the paper published a Reuters dispatch about a Bush campaign visit to Rochester, Minn. It was accompanied by a Reuters photo of 6-year-old Madison Long, who "showed her support for President Bush by braiding her hair in the shape of a 'W.' "

Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to be Reuters' fault--but on the Chronicle server the filename of the photo is brainwashedchild.jpg.

Sitzpinkler Watch
"Germany to Step Up Campaign for Permanent UN Seat, Voigt Says"--headline,, Sept. 17

We Still Blame Snoopy
"Injury May Have Led to Red Baron's Death"--headline, Associated Press, Sept. 22

It's a Miracle He Made It Through Law School
"Lee's Lawyer Says He's Retarded"--headline, KPLC-TV Web site (Lake Charles, La.), Sept. 21

Not Too Brite--CLXV
"A Malaysian man shot and killed his wife after he mistook her for a monkey picking fruit in a tree behind their house," Reuters reports from Kuala Lumpur.

Oddly Enough!

(For an explanation of the "Not Too Brite" series, click here.)



We Feel Much Safer Now
"Liechtenstein Ratifies Nuclear Test Ban"--headline, Associated Press, Sept. 22

They Make Such a Cute Couple
"Liechtenstein Eyes Long Term Relationship With Qatar"--headline, the Peninsula (Qatar), Sept. 22

'No One Understands Me Like You Do, Qatar'
"Misunderstood Liechtenstein Explains Itself With New Image Campaign"--headline, Los Angeles Times, Sept. 20

Submitted With Relish
The H.J. Heinz Co. has announced its "Say Something Ketchuppy II" contest:

Sometimes our label gets tired of saying "Tomato Ketchup" all of the time. We received a huge response from our first talking label contest, and now our ketchup is begging for more of your ideas. So make a joke about french fries or have some fun at the expense of mustard. Once again it is time to send your funny phrase (8 words or less, please) and the best ones will be featured on our front label in stores across the country.

Earlier winners include "Easier to spell than Worcestershire" and "Seeking employment in your kitchen." But we got to thinking: Why not a slogan that pays homage to Teresa Heinz Kerry, the outspoken ketchup heiress and philanthropist?

"Shove it onto your plate" has possibilities, and "Don't let your food go naked" is promising. But the one we like best is "The perfect match for a weenie."

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To: John Carragher who wrote (72690)9/22/2004 7:34:22 PM
From: SiouxPal
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A bunch of us have known how much Dan Rather dislikes the Bush family. He goofed up and was caught telling the truth about Bush's military career with goofy memos, and he is paying for it now. Dan just flat out dropped his ice cream IMO.
Do you watch The Daily Show?


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To: SiouxPal who wrote (72687)9/22/2004 7:37:18 PM
From: BlackDog777
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LindyBill...according to your thread rule #2... "No six year olds, please" Doesn't this post by SiouxPal qualify in this category?

This is one of the people that had numerous people ousted from the kfp board.

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To: BlackDog777 who wrote (72694)9/22/2004 7:45:08 PM
From: LindyBill
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I go to the beach, and we get an Indian attack! The "no trolls" rule applies.

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