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To: Lane3 who wrote (66707)9/22/2004 5:23:22 PM
From: TimF
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Dup

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To: haqihana who wrote (72646)9/22/2004 5:41:18 PM
From: Ish
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My take is they're running out of storage plus want some return on investment. I can't blame them, I've been free since '95. I'll pay to get the search feature.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (66919)9/22/2004 5:46:36 PM
From: TimF
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...using every bit of breath you had and every tactic available to fight off the commies or the Martians or Islamicists or whatever aliens were the enemy du jour. Personally, I'm sure I could never go so far as to specifically target little kids, but I think that I could target marketplaces if I truly believed my cause was just and existential, if I thought the tactic could be effective, and if there was no conventional alternative.

If your targeting enemy military or leadership at the marketplace you could reasonably argue you where engaged in guerilla war and not terrorism. Where it gets a little fuzzy is how big of legitimate target has to be there to be aimed at versus how much "collateral damage". If your just trying to kill people affiliated with the enemy, whether or not they are military or operate in support of, or in command of the military (which in this context would include militias, terrorist groups, para-military units, maybe police, not just soldiers in an organized national army) than you clearly are committing terrorism, but what about when you blow up a marketplace with 100 innocent people to kill one enemy private?

We could examine the exact boundary but that isn't my main point in this post. Which is that suicide bombing that isn't terrorism is possible, and indeed has happened (for example Kamikaze attacks were a form of suicide bombing). It is easier (although not easy) to imagine myself in a situation where I would attack "the commies, or the Martians or Islamiscists" using suicide bombing tactics, than it is to imagine a situation where I would become a terrorist suicide bomber against them.

Tim

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To: Brian Sullivan who wrote (72608)9/22/2004 5:59:44 PM
From: Captain Jack
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<<""When internationally respected Islamic personalities like Yusuf Islam and Professor Tariq Ramadan are denied entry to the United States, it sends the disturbing message that even moderate and mainstream Muslims will now be treated like terrorists," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR.">> Gee-- maybe this guy is correct. Maybe we should just cut their head-off..Oh-- hope they put this clowns name on a 'watch list'.. No one whines like the guilty.

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To: LindyBill who started this subject9/22/2004 6:05:40 PM
From: SiouxPal
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Bumper sticker of the day: If Republicans don't send your jobs overseas, they'll send your kids.
The good news about Bush is... well....he has absolutely quit cocaine, and will never do it again, plus he only eats soft pretzels now.
That's two good things about George.

Sioux

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To: LindyBill who started this subject9/22/2004 6:08:57 PM
From: SiouxPal
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Bush is strong about having 3 debates!
karlandkinggeorge.com

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To: LindyBill who started this subject9/22/2004 6:11:31 PM
From: SiouxPal
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Charge! Bush will be sending your kids to fight the good fight soon!
Kerry: Draft Likely to Return Under Bush
news.yahoo.com.

By MARY DALRYMPLE, Associated Press Writer

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), citing the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and other trouble spots in the world, raised the possibility Wednesday that a military draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect President Bush (news - web sites).

Kerry said he would not bring back the draft and questioned how fairly it was administered in the past.

Answering a question about the draft that had been posed at a forum with voters, Kerry said: "If George Bush (news - web sites) were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea (news - web sites) and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other Pentagon (news - web sites) officials have been asked numerous times whether they thought a draft would be necessary to maintain force levels in Iraq. They have said consistently that they think it is neither necessary nor desirable, since today's military is built on volunteer service and professionalism.

His voice scratchy and breaking from a cold, Kerry called the president's proposal to give workers partly private Social Security (news - web sites) accounts a windfall for financial companies and one that will cut benefits for senior citizens.

"He's driving seniors right out of the middle class," Kerry said in a battleground state rich with voters keenly watching the candidates talk about two pillars of retirement, Social Security and Medicare.

"I will never privatize Social Security, ever," Kerry said, repeating promises not to raise the retirement age or cut benefits.

Kerry's two-day swing through Florida, which began Tuesday, follows deadly hurricanes that nearly halted polling and politicking in the state. Bush made his third campaign-season trip to Florida this week to assess damage caused by Hurricane Ivan. Kerry has been to the state that decided the 2000 election nine times this year.

Kerry opened the town hall-style meeting about government benefits by repeating his charges that the president is divorced from realities in Iraq and ignoring the manhunt for terrorists in Afghanistan (news - web sites). "Osama bin Forgotten," Kerry said.

Noting that the campaign Tuesday night neared Disney's "fantasy land" in Orlando, Fla., Kerry said: "The difference between George Bush and me is that I drove by it. He lives in it."

Returning to seniors' issues, Kerry said Bush made life harder for seniors with a Medicare drug benefit that doesn't let the government bargain for lower costs.

Kerry also cited a study by Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago business professor and informal adviser to the Kerry campaign, to say the president's Social Security proposal will cost seniors.

Bush favors allowing young workers to create voluntary personal savings accounts with some of the money they now pay into the Social Security system, a change he insists will not increase payroll taxes or change benefits for retirees or near retirees.

Goolsbee examined one model that proposes workers set aside a small percentage of their pay in private accounts as a method to adjust Social Security to a rapidly graying population, concluding that fees charged by financial companies could reap them hundreds of billions of dollars and eat 20 percent of the benefits in an account held by a worker making an average salary.

The Bush-Cheney campaign said the study makes assumptions based on policy decisions not yet made and contended that Kerry hasn't explained how he'd meet the challenges posed to Social Security by aging Baby Boomers.

"His record is one of voting for higher taxes on current retirees and ignoring the needs of future retirees," said Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt.

Kerry wants to bolster the retirement program by reducing the deficit and expanding the economy. Some experts say economic growth might be insufficient to cover future benefits because those benefits grow as wages increase.

The Massachusetts senator also wants to improve Medicare by retooling the recently passed prescription drug benefit to let the government negotiate for bulk discounts on drugs.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67202)9/22/2004 6:12:08 PM
From: TimF
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Look up the Altadena incident.

google.com

returns nothing

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To: Neeka who wrote (72634)9/22/2004 6:12:32 PM
From: Bridge Player
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The United States wants to maintain a hard stance against Iran over the "axis of evil" nation's nuclear program, but by doing so Washington runs the risk of inflaming a neighbor of war-wracked Iraq.

That's a risk? LOL! I thought Iran was already pretty "inflamed" against the U.S.

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To: unclewest who wrote (72620)9/22/2004 6:17:21 PM
From: Captain Jack
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<<"As a Senator, Kerry has fought harder for the Vietnamese communists than he ever did against them during his four months as a Swift Boat commander. Kerry's picture hangs in the Vietnamese communist's war museum in Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon), in which he is immortalized in tribute to aiding the communists in winning the war.">> The antics of Kerry caused more casualties than any VC or NVA ever could. It should never be forgotten how he sold the POWs down the river & signed their death warrant so his cousin could makes hundreds of millions,, possibly billions by now. All US dollars provided to NVN thanks to Kerry.

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