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To: isopatch who wrote (720263)6/28/2020 1:28:50 PM
From: LindyBill
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I regard if as a "Lawyer's warning." I am still going to post. I have banned that poster from this site and have him on ignore.

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To: skinowski who wrote (720264)6/28/2020 1:33:32 PM
From: LindyBill
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The good news - yes, herd immunity is coming.

I see this as the only way out of this mess. We will never get the Government to admit the mistake that was made by delaying herd immunity with this shutdown. Any more than they will ever admit the mistake they made in 83 when they went with a low fat diet as the best way to lose weight.

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To: pheilman_ who wrote (720256)6/28/2020 2:10:12 PM
From: skinowski
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A mask will slightly increase the respiratory “dead space” - the volume that gets moved in and out, without reaching the alveoli (air in the month, nasal cavity, trachea). The 1 foot snorkel will do the same thing as the mask - increase that volume. The work of breathing increases because of the need to pump air through the mask. Also, the tidal respiratory volume (the volume we normally inhale and exhale) may have to increase a bit, to compensate for the increase in the dead space and the corresponding slight decrease of the O2 (and increased CO2) concentration in the inhaled air.

The CO2 is very volatile - much more so than Oxygen. When a person hyperventilates, he blows off CO2 ( and changes the chemical reaction of the blood) - without making any difference for the O2 saturation. Healthy people do not develop CO2 retention. Like you said, the person will “automatically” adjust their breathing in order to keep their CO2 level where it needs to be.

(Actually, the most powerful respiratory regulator is the proton - H - concentration. Alkalinizing the blood will suppress respiration - and acidity will stimulate it. CO2 - when dissolved in blood - is carbonic acid, H2CO3. This is how CO2 accumulation stimulates respiration. But... it changes blood acidity vary fast, almost in seconds. Carbonic acid breaks down into carbon dioxide and water, and the CO2 gets exhaled).

The small decreases in the partial pressure of O2 in the inhaled air do not change the hemoglobin saturation. Most of the inhaled volume is still fresh, albeit filtered air.

With a N95, all those issues are more pronounced compared to using a surgical or procedure mask.

I used masks a lot over the years. As an intern, I often had to wear one for many hours, when assisting during surgeries.

So, these days I have zero doubts about wearing one - usually a procedure mask. Sometimes N95, when things seem unsafe. These days in Florida will probably put one on to go to the supermarket.

Sorry for the long reply.

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From: LindyBill6/28/2020 2:16:48 PM
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Attempted extortion


thegatewaypundit.com Black Lives Matter Militants Storm Target Store in DC, Threaten to Shut Business Down if They Don't Comply with Demands (VIDEOS)
Cristina Laila

Black Lives Matter militants stormed a Target store this weekend threatening to shut down their business if they didn’t comply with the mob’s demands.

It appears this mob is taking direct orders from Black Lives Matter Leader Hawk Newsome who issued a terroristic threat last week on live broadcast.

Newsome said if the US doesn’t give Black Lives Matter what they want, they will burn down the system.

“All black people, living around this neighborhood, living around in this neighborhood, because you prioritize money over people, so until you stop calling the police, we continue to shut your business down,” one of the terrorists said in a megaphone.


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To: LindyBill who wrote (720269)6/28/2020 2:18:04 PM
From: skinowski
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The idea of lockdowns wasn’t to avoid herd immunity - it was to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. The same thing could have been accomplished by keeping the old and the sick protected as much as possible — with no general lockdowns.

The Chinese and some other Asian nations managed to suppress the epidemic - and are trying to keep it that way until they get the vaccines.

Most of the world couldn’t do it — so, the best strategy is “controlled burn” — meaning, keep the old and the sick out of trouble as well as possible - and use general precautions to keep cases from exploding among the young and working age people. Oh yeah - and wait for vaccines. (Edit - or, wait for general immunity, whichever comes first).

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To: LindyBill who wrote (720255)6/28/2020 2:19:04 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk
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In a time long gone residents in SE Alaska would chip in and buy a blue ticket on Alaska Steam for undesirables. That was a one way ticket to Seattle with no exit from the boat at interim ports. It benefited the population there and probably seeded the political class that exists today in Seattle.

In the late sixties I became friends with old guys from that period, listened raptly to their tales and lies. For the truly bad guys a committee of the responsible might escort the most rotten of the miscreants to a crab feed for final disposition.

That's out of bounds in today's silk britches society, but it worked pretty damned well. Shagged the villainous and discouraged potentials.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (720271)6/28/2020 2:23:32 PM
From: Thehammer
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target is getting what they deserve. I sold my stock in them several years ago because of their PC BS.

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To: skinowski who wrote (720272)6/28/2020 2:23:40 PM
From: LindyBill
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The idea of lockdowns wasn’t to avoid herd immunity - it was to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system

I agree. However, the lockdown did lengthen the time it takes for us to reach herd immunity.

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To: Thehammer who wrote (720274)6/28/2020 2:25:27 PM
From: LindyBill
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target is getting what they deserve.

I thought of that when they were hit. Their CEO was woke. He asked for it.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (720275)6/28/2020 2:29:12 PM
From: skinowski
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Lockdowns and flattening the curve... That was the idea - but it was unnecessary. The same flattening could have been accomplished by protecting the old and the sick - and by encouraging the young to use precautions - without shutting down a single business.

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