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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5929)10/1/2004 1:49:23 PM
From: Crimson Ghost
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Everything that we see going on in Iraq today has to be seen in the light of the long-standing Zionist plans for the Middle East

Thursday, September 30, 2004

The essay, 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' (
t_plan.html ), by Oded Yinon, published in 1982, contains the following paragraph on Iraq (italics in original):

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization."

The Iraqi-Iranian war failed to accomplish the dissolution of Iraq, so the Americans were tricked by the neocons into the attack on Iraq, largely through the efforts of Douglas Feith feeding erroneous Israeli-prepared intelligence into the American political system. Feith will no doubt someday be honored by a statue in Israel. Israeli or American agents provocateurs currently operating in Iraq are finishing the job proposed by Yinon, as part of a similar ongoing operation against all the Arab states, of breaking the country up into small, unthreatening ethnic enclaves. Everything that we see going on in Iraq today has to be seen in the light of the long-standing Zionist plans for the Middle East.

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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5929)10/2/2004 4:34:33 AM
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Re: Clearly Russia is not supporting Israel's strike on Iran because Russia is actually helping Iran with the nuclear tech...

Quite the contrary: Russia is supporting Israel, however cunningly... Russia is providing Judeocon warmongers with the rationale to justify a strike against Iran. Somehow, Russia plays the fink to the American cop: Russia, like a former convict turned informer, infiltrates the Arab mob and offers the Iraqi and Iranian "bosses" some topnotch (nuclear) gear... Later, when the American cops storm the mob lairs, the Russian fink is nowhere to be seen --he's done his job, that is, providing the cops with enough (criminal) charges to frame the Arab mobsters.


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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (5931)10/2/2004 2:14:50 PM
From: Ed Huang
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Iraqis Condemn Prime Minister After Falluja Raid
Sat Oct 2, 2004 04:57 AM ET

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - After the latest U.S. air strike on Falluja, enraged residents clasped wounded children and challenged Iraq's prime minister to visit the town to see how bombs were hitting civilians, not "terrorists."
"Is this a terrorist? Is this a terrorist? Iyad Allawi come and show us the terrorists," screamed a man as he fixed a bandage on the head of a small boy in his arms.

A U.S. warplane struck Falluja late Friday night, the latest in a weeks-long campaign of bombardments the U.S. military says are targeting hideouts used by followers of Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most hunted man in Iraq.


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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (5924)10/2/2004 5:52:27 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha
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Israeli reservist nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

Margot Dudkevitch, THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 29, 2004

Reserve captain David Sonnschein, the head of the Right to Refuse movement, has been nominated as a candidate for the 2004 Nobel Peace prize. Sonnschein, 28, is a software engineer. His name and that of the movement was proposed by two previous recipients of the prize.
The two are Carlos Felipe Zimenes Belo – a bishop from East Timor who received the prize in 1996 for leading his countrymen in a conflict with Indonesia – and Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu Tum who won the prize in 1992 for her work in pressing for rights for Indians and local farmers
On hearing of his nomination, Sonnschein said he viewed it as a victory for the lovers of Israel and a victory for Zionism, as well as recognition of the movement's struggle, which recognizes the need to defend Israel and at the same time protect human rights and values.
The movement was established in January 2002 when a group of more than 70 IDF soldiers and officers published a letter declaring their willingness to continue serving in the army inside Israel's borders, but refused to continue serving in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Currently, there are over 650 members in the movement, both officers and soldiers, some of who have served jail sentences for refusing to serve in the Palestinian territories.
In 2002, in a statement published in Yedioth Ahronoth, reservists wrote that they would "no longer fight beyond the Green Line for the purpose of occupying, deporting, destroying, blockading, killing, starving and humiliating an entire people."
Describing themselves as men "raised in the lap of Zionism," the petition signers wrote that while they would continue to defend Israel, they would no longer fight in the war for the welfare of the [Jewish] settlements." The soldiers wrote they had "rendered service throughout the occupied territories and received orders and instructions that had nothing to do with the security of the state, and whose sole purpose is the perpetuation of domination of the Palestinian people." This "mission of occupation and repression does not serve this purpose [the defense of Israel]," they said, "and we shall have no part of it."
The soldiers said they had "witnessed with [their] own eyes the bloody toll that the occupation takes on both sides of the divide" and understood "that the price of occupation is the loss of humanity in the IDF and the corruption of the whole Israeli society."

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To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (5933)10/3/2004 7:47:21 AM
From: Crimson Ghost
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Latest "victory" by the "most moral army in the world".


Iran condemnsIsrael`s `inhuman` rampage of murder in Jabalya

Tehran, Oct 2, IRNA -- Iran strongly condemned Saturday the Israeli
rampage of murder and terror at the Jabalya refugee camp in the north
of the Gaza Strip, calling it `catastrophic and inhuman`.
"The Zionist regime`s escalation of military approaches and its
ruthless massacre of innocent people in the Gaza Strip further
revealed the inhuman nature of the Israeli leaders," Foreign Ministry
spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said.
"The Zionist regime, by continuing its policy of repression,
killing and terror is the main cause of crisis and tension in the
"Continued genocide of the Palestinians and repeated violation of
international laws by the Israeli military requires immediate response
from the international community in support of the defenseless
Palestinians," he added.
On Saturday, two Palestinians died and four others were wounded in
an Israeli air raid on the Jabalya refugee camp.
The two dead were members of the Islamic Jihad, an armed Islamic
group, officials said.
According to media reports, the deaths brought the toll since the
start of the Palestinian uprising four years ago to 4,402, including
3,378 Palestinians and 953 Israelis.
In scenes reminiscent of World War II, the stench of death and
dust coming from destroyed houses, pulverized farms and orchards was
wafting all over northern Gaza Saturday as an Israeli army rampage of
murder and terror entered its third day.
So far, as many as 50 Palestinians, the bulk of them innocent
civilians, have been killed, and as many 200 injured, many maimed by
shrapnel of artillery shells and hell-fire missiles launched by
American-supplied helicopter gunships.
Hospital officials in Jabalya, Beit Hanun and Beit Lahya spoke of
`an ongoing atrocity`.
"This is the most criminal and pornographic killing I`ve ever seen
in my life," said Dr. Ahmed Agha of the Shifa hospital.
"It is clear that an army that targets children with heavy
artillery shells is not an army of soldiers, but an army of thugs
and common criminals."
On Friday, a tank shell fired at a crowded street in Gaza, killing
eight civilians including six children.
The children reportedly cowered inside a shack fearing an attack
from Israeli helicopter gunships hovering above them.
The Israeli army didn`t even regret the wanton killing. Instead,
Israeli press reports quoted Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz as
instructing his troops to `kill as many Palestinians as possible`.
In the past, the phrase was understood to mean targeting
Palestinian civilians in order to `make them suffer`.
Publicly, the Zionist regime says the aim of the current rampage
is to prevent Palestinian resistance fighters from firing Qassam
missiles on nearby Jewish settlements.
Last week, two Jewish settler children were killed when a homemade
Qassam missile hit a home in the nearby settlement of Sderot.
However, the Israeli media has argued that the real purpose of the
killings and destruction in Gaza is to make sure that any Israeli
withdrawal from the Strip would look victorious, not under pressure.
Meanwhile, the almost completely powerless Palestinian Authority
(PA) has made desperate calls to the international community to
intervene to stop the massacres.
PA official Nabil Abu Rudeina told reporters in Ramallah it was
unacceptable that Palestinians civilians were being slaughtered in
Gaza while the international community did nothing and said nothing.
The EU did issue a denunciation of the latest carnage in Gaza,
particularly the targeting of civilians.
However, the Zionist regime has indicated that EU criticisms were
of no effect on Israel, which nearly completely depends on its its
guardian ally, the United States, for political, military and economic
Last night, a US State Department spokesman appealed to the
Zionist regime not to target Palestinian civilians.
One Zionist official, who spoke on condition of anonymity,
criticized the Americans for their hypocrisy.
"We don`t accept lectures from the Americans who kill many more
civilians in Iraq every day."

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To: Brasco One who wrote (5919)10/3/2004 8:42:25 AM
From: servan
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Here go again,
Israel state terrorism is in action again.
Thanks to US tax payer money!.

Witnesses: Israelis Fire Missiles at Crowd

Sunday October 3, 2004 12:31 PM

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - An Israeli aircraft fired two missiles Sunday at a crowd in the northern Gaza Strip, witnesses said.

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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5932)10/3/2004 7:28:00 PM
From: Crimson Ghost
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More farsighted Jews starting to worry about the ultimate implications of the neo-con inspired Iraq aggression for world Jewry.

Iraq: The Situation and the Role of the Jews:


Are you wondering why we at Tikkun haven't weighted in more on this election? Well, the answer is: because as a non-profit we are prohibited from law from doing so. We can't tell you what our editor Rabbi Michael Lerner is working on as a private citizen in this election, because doing so might seem to be suggesting that we as a whole were endorsing a candidate. It's frustrating for us,but worth it for the sake of keeping a non-profit status so that the contributions you make to us, and your membership in The Tikkun Community, remains tax-deductible for you (and as long as you actually do make those contributions to keep us alive--because frankly the only reason we stay alive is that people who read this join the Tikkun Community, which you can still do at, and because they send tax deductible contributions (to Tikkun, 951 Cragmont Ave, Berkeley, Ca. 94708).

But that doesn't mean that we can't say something about the current situation in Iraq, the subject of the debate between Kerry and Bush. And there are two things to say, as articulated in the material below: 1. The situation is a lot worse than the President is telling us in Iraq. 2. Jews are beginning to get the blame for the war in Iraq in some anti-Semitic circles, and that needs to be stopped. Please read the articles below to get a perspectives on these issues that you may find it hard to find elsewhere.
Things are worse in Iraq than the Bush Administration Tells the American People
From Baghdad A Wall Street Journal Reporter's E-Mail to Friends by Farnaz Fassihi

Being a foreign correspondent in Baghdad these days is like being under virtual house arrest. Forget about the reasons that lured me to this job: a chance to see the world, explore the exotic, meet new people in far away lands, discover their ways and tell stories that could make a difference.

Little by little, day-by-day, being based in Iraq has defied all those reasons. I am house bound. I leave when I have a very good reason to and a scheduled interview. I avoid going to people's homes and never walk in the streets. I can't go grocery shopping any more, can't eat in restaurants, can't strike a conversation with strangers, can't look for stories, can't drive in any thing but a full armored car, can't go to scenes of breaking news stories, can't be stuck in traffic, can't speak Englishoutside, can't take a road trip, can't say I'm an American, can't linger at checkpoints, can't be curious about what people are saying, doing, feeling. And can't and can't. There has been one too many close calls, including a car bomb so near our house that it blew out all the windows. So now my most pressing concern every day is not to write a kick-ass story but to stay alive and make sure our Iraqi employees stay alive. In Baghdad I am a security personnel first, a reporter second.

It's hard to pinpoint when the 'turning point' exactly began. Was it April when the Fallujah fell out of the grasp of the Americans? Was it when Moqtada and Jish Mahdi declared war on the U.S. military? Was it when Sadr City, home to ten percent of Iraq's population, became a nightly battlefield for the Americans? Or was it when the insurgency began spreading from isolated pockets in the Sunni triangle to include most of Iraq? Despite President Bush's rosy assessments, Iraq remains a disaster. If under Saddam it was a 'potential' threat, under the Americans it has been transformed to 'imminent and active threat,' a foreign policy failure bound to haunt the United States for decades to come

. Iraqis like to call this mess 'the situation.' When asked 'how are thing?' they reply: 'the situation is very bad." What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesn't control most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each day around the country killing and injuring scores of innocent people, the country's roads are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds of landmines and explosive devices aimed to kill American soldiers, there are assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings. The situation, basically, means a raging barbaric guerilla war. In four days, 110 people died and over 300 got injured in Baghdad alone. The numbers are so shocking that the ministry of health -- which was attempting an exercise of public transparency by releasing the numbers -- has now stopped disclosing them.

Insurgents now attack Americans 87 times a day.

A friend drove thru the Shiite slum of Sadr City yesterday. He said young men were openly placing improvised explosive devices into the ground. They melt a shallow hole into the asphalt, dig the explosive, cover it with dirt and put an old tire or plastic can over it to signal to the locals this is booby-trapped. He said on the main roads of Sadr City, there were a dozen landmines per every ten yards. His car snaked and swirled to avoid driving over them. Behind the walls sits an angry Iraqi ready to detonate them as soon as an American convoy gets near. This is in Shiite land, the population that was supposed to love America for liberating Iraq.

For journalists the significant turning point came with the wave of abduction and kidnappings. Only two weeks ago we felt safe around Baghdad because foreigners were being abducted on the roads and highways between towns. Then came a frantic phone call from a journalist female friend at 11 p.m. telling me two Italian women had been abducted from their homes in broad daylight. Then the two Americans, who got beheaded this week and the Brit, were abducted from their homes in a residential neighborhood. They were supplying the entire block with round the clock electricity from their generator to win friends. The abductors grabbed one of them at 6 a.m. when he came out to switch on the generator; his beheaded body was thrown back near the neighborhoods.

The insurgency, we are told, is rampant with no signs of calming down. If any thing, it is growing stronger, organized and more sophisticated every day. The various elements within it-baathists, criminals, nationalists and Al Qaeda-are cooperating and coordinating.

I went to an emergency meeting for foreign correspondents with the military and embassy to discuss the kidnappings. We were somberly told our fate would largely depend on where we were in the kidnapping chain once it was determined we were missing. Here is how it goes: criminal gangs grab you and sell you up to Baathists in Fallujah, who will in turn sell you to Al Qaeda. In turn, cash and weapons flow the other way from Al Qaeda to the Baathisst to the criminals. My friend Georges, the French journalist snatched on the road to Najaf, has been missing for a month with no word on release or whether he is still alive.

America's last hope for a quick exit? The Iraqi police and National Guard units we are spending billions of dollars to train. The cops are being murdered by the dozens every day-over 700 to date -- and the insurgents are infiltrating their ranks. The problem is so serious that the U.S. military has allocated $6 million dollars to buy out 30,000 cops they just trained to get rid of them quietly.

As for reconstruction: firstly it's so unsafe for foreigners to operate that almost all projects have come to a halt. After two years, of the $18 billion Congress appropriated for Iraq reconstruction only about $1 billion or so has been spent and a chuck has now been reallocated for improving security, a sign of just how bad things are going here.

Oil dreams? Insurgents disrupt oil flow routinely as a result of sabotage and oil prices have hit record high of $49 a barrel. Who did this war exactly benefit? Was it worth it? Are we safer because Saddam is holed up and Al Qaeda is running around in Iraq?

Iraqis say that thanks to America they got freedom in exchange for insecurity. Guess what? They say they'd take security over freedom any day, even if it means having a dictator ruler. I heard an educated Iraqi say today that if Saddam Hussein were allowed to run for elections he would get the majority of the vote. This is truly sad. Then I went to see an Iraqi scholar this week to talk to him about elections here. He has been trying to educate the public on the importance of voting. He said, "President Bush wanted to turn Iraq into a democracy that would be an example for the Middle East. Forget about democracy, forget about being a model for the region, we have to salvage Iraq before all is lost."

One could argue that Iraq is already lost beyond salvation. For those of us on the ground it's hard to imagine what if any thing could salvage it from its violent downward spiral. The genie of terrorism, chaos and mayhem has been unleashed onto this country as a result of American mistakes and it can't be put back into a bottle. The Iraqi government is talking about having elections in three months while half of the country remains a 'no go zone'-out of the hands of the government and the Americans and out of reach of journalists. In the other half, the disenchanted population is too terrified to show up at polling stations. The Sunnis have already said they'd boycott elections, leaving the stage open for polarized government of Kurds and Shiites that will not be deemed as legitimate and will most certainly lead to civil war.

I asked a 28-year-old engineer if he and his family would participate in the Iraqi elections since it was the first time Iraqis could to some degree elect a leadership. His response summed it all: "Go and vote and risk being blown into pieces or followed by the insurgents and murdered for cooperating with the Americans? For what? To practice democracy? Are you joking?"

Farnaz Fassihi, a Wall Street Journal reporter sent this report as an e-mail to friends. [Editor's Note: we at Tikkun have no way of establishing the reliability of this email we received. But that doesn't distinguish it from all the news we get on the establishment media, much of which is concoted for purposes of government/state and then presented to us as "fact." We still think that note presents a perspective you should hear.]

Don't Blame "The Jews" for the War in Iraq!!!!!
A note from Uri Anvery: About a hundred years ago, the Russian Czar's secret police cobbled together a document they called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". The "authors" were not particularly original - they took a satire, written decades earlier about Napoleon III's ambitions for world domination, and substituted Jewish rabbis for the French emperor. According to the revised document, the Jews are plotting to control the world, and the tentacles of this conspiracy reach everywhere.

When this fabrication was composed, the scenario was quite outlandish. In mighty Russia, which at that time included a great part of Poland, Jews had hardly any influence at all. In the German Reich, Jews were indeed prominent in several fields - such as banking, commerce and the press - but they were remote from the real centers of power. The Kaiser kept them out of the prestigious officers' corps and the higher echelons of the powerful bureaucracy. Jews prominent in the sciences could count themselves lucky if they obtained a professorship.

In the United States some Jews were getting rich, but they could not penetrate the highest ranks of the economy and society. How hollow the legend of Jewish power really was, became evident when the Nazis, after soaring high on the wings of anti-Semitism, annihilated the Jews of Europe. American and British Jews could not (and, indeed, did not even seriously attempt to) push their government into doing something to save their brethren. Both governments were afraid of providing ammunition for the Nazis, whose propaganda claimed that Roosevelt and Churchill were stooges of International Jewry.

After a decent interval of several decades, the Elders of Zion have staged a comeback in the last few years. The internet is now full of anti-Semitic messages that adapt the old falsified document to the present realities. But the disgusting old slogans have not changed a bit.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... On the face of it, the job of the anti-Semites is much easier now. Since the Protocols were "discovered", much has changed in the world. True, the Holocaust eradicated almost all of European Jewry, but in its wake the State of Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish State, came into being. And, most importantly, the Jewish community in the United States has attained a standing comparable only to the Golden Age of the Jews in medieval Muslim Spain.

In a way, the lies of the Protocols have fulfilled themselves. "America controls the world," the anti-Semites now say, "and the Jews control America."............. In support of this, they point to the war in Iraq. It is well known that a group of "neo-conservatives", almost all of them Jews, occupied central positions of power in Washington and pushed for the invasion of Iraq. Some years before that, members of this group acted as advisors to the then Prime Minister of Israel, Binyamin Netanyahu.

According to the anti-Semites, these Jews sold the war to the United States with mendacious arguments, in order to eliminate Israel's most dangerous enemy in the Middle East, Iraq. Now they are conspiring against Israel's two remaining enemies, Syria and Iran.

On the face of it, but only on the face of it, there is some truth in these allegations. The neo-cons indeed believe that the interests of the Unites States and Israel coincide, and they indeed pushed for this war. But a thousand neo-cons like Wolfowitz and Perle would not have succeeded in this, without the influence of another group in Washington, much more powerful, and much less visible: the oil people.

The Bush family and Vice President Dick Cheney represent the interests of this group. Behind them looms the immense power of the oil companies, in which Jews play hardly any part at all. Their aim was not only to take over the huge oil reserves of Iraq itself, but also to locate a permanent American military and political base between the immense oil resources of the Caspian Sea in the North and the Persian/Arabian gulf in the South. This, they argue, is necessary in order to assure American dominance in a world in which oil is a dwindling resource of fundamental importance to all industrialized economies.

The neo-cons supplied only the ideological embellishment and the moral justification. One could almost say that this is the traditional job assigned to the Jews............. It is easy for anti-Semites to list all the Jewish names in the American administration. As in Germany after World War I, during the so-called Weimar Republic, American Jews are prominent in the administration, economy, media, law, medicine and science. The Zionist lobby brags openly (perhaps too openly) that it can bring down any senator or congress(wo)man who criticizes Israel. They have given ample proof of that. Somebody once said that if AIPAC, the pro-Israeli Jewish lobby, submitted a resolution to Congress abolishing the Ten Commandments, 80 senators and 400 congressman would sign on the first day.

The situation is especially glaring as far as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is concerned. During the watch of President Bill Clinton, almost all the team dealing with this problem were Jews. Their meetings with Israeli politicians could easily have been conducted in Yiddish. With the advent of George W. Bush, a fundamental change took place: the liberal Jews in the team were supplanted by conservative Jews. Now, too, almost all the people in the American administration dealing with the Middle East are Jews.

The anti-Semitic publications stress these facts - which are true in themselves - in order to prove that the Jews control the world. But reality is more complex by far.

True, the Zionist lobby is big and strong, but there are others equally strong or stronger in the field. One could mention the American Rifle Association, the lobbies of physicians and trial lawyers and others, and in the political field the even more powerful Christian Evangelists. Much to the chagrin of the anti-Semites, this lobby is also completely devoted to Israel. Indeed, the Christian Evangelists, especially in the United States and Britain, invented modern Zionism long before Theodor Herzl and his colleagues adopted this idea.

The American Jewish community is proud of its great influence. That is understandable, if one remembers that only two generations ago Jews were not admitted to the important clubs (prompting the Jewish comedian Groucho Marx to quip: "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member!") Their amazing ascent stems from hard work, organizational talent and readiness to donate money.

But anyone conversant with Jewish history may suspect that, as the Yiddish saying goes, "Die kalle ist zu shein" ("the bride is too beautiful.") After the Golden Age, all the Jews were expelled from Spain. After the brilliant success of the Jews in Germany, the Nazis came to power. Today, anti-Semites in the United States are a vocal and despised marginal group, but it is a mistake to ignore the danger....................... What would happen for example, if the United States sank ever deeper into the bloody swamp of Iraq, into an atmosphere of national calamity? When the search for a scapegoat is on, the Jewish neo-cons will stick out.

What would happen if Americans started to wonder about the roots of the terrorism of Islamic fanatics? Won't there be some who would argue that America got into the Clash of Civilizations with the Muslim world only because of Israel? And if America gets into a really deep economic depression, might not Jewish names - like that of the chief of the Federal Reserve - come up? One should not exaggerate these dangers. At present they are hardly specks on the horizon. But I would advise the leaders of the Jewish institutions in the United States to exercise some self-restraint. Intoxication with power can easily lead to dangerous excesses. And I would also advise the government of Israel not to put all its eggs in one basket.

Rabbi Michael Lerner

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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5932)10/4/2004 4:48:56 AM
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Judeofascism's Pope Pat Robertson outjews Ariel Sharon:

Mon., October 04, 2004 Tishrei 19, 5765

Pat Robertson chides 'carving' WB, Gaza
By Associated Press and Haaretz Service

As participants in the annual Jerusalem March prepared to flood city streets on Monday afternoon, American evangelist Pat Robertson, leading thousands of Christian pilgrims showing support for Israel, indirectly rebuked Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan, saying that God would "judge those who carve up the West Bank and Gaza Strip."

As many of 20,000 marchers were expected to take part in the procession, which was to pass through the heart of the city in the afternoon. A number of main traffic arteries were closed to allow the parade to pass.

In a gathering of more than 4,000 pilgrims at a Jerusalem convention center Sunday, Robertson warned that some Muslims were trying to foil "God's plan" to let Israel hold on to its lands. The number of pilgrims was about 25 percent higher than the past three years, according to organizers with the International Christian Embassy.

"I see the rise of Islam to destroy Israel and take the land from the Jews and give East Jerusalem to [Palestinian Authority Chairman] Yasser Arafat. I see that as Satan's plan to prevent the return of Jesus Christ the Lord," said Robertson, a Christian broadcaster.

In two Jerusalem appearances, Robertson Sunday praised Israel as part of God's plan and criticized Arab countries and some Muslims, saying their hopes to include Israeli-controlled land in a Palestinian state are part of "Satan's plan."

Robertson, who has made critical statements of Islam in the past, called Israel's Arab neighbors "a sea of dictatorial regimes."

He said he "sends notice" to Osama bin Laden, Arafat and Palestinian militant groups that "you will not frustrate God's plan" to have Jews rule the Holy Land until the Second Coming of Jesus.

Only God should decide if Israel should relinquish control of the lands it captured in the 1967 war, including the Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem, Robertson said, in a reference to Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza next year.

"God says, 'I'm going to judge those who carve up the West Bank and Gaza Strip,'" Robertson said. "'It's my land and keep your hands off it.'"

Blowing rams' horns and exclaiming "Hallelujah," hundreds of pilgrims - including visitors from Norway, England and Germany - gathered in downtown Jerusalem to pray for peace and celebrate Israel's unification of the city with the capture of East Jerusalem in 1967.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (5931)10/4/2004 12:09:55 PM
From: AK2004
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LOL, you mean to say that Russia is secretly planting nukes in the backyard of the unsuspecting innocent terrorists?

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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (5936)10/4/2004 11:20:13 PM
From: Ed Huang
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The extreme ego, strong materialism and togetherness push the group to the peak; Those same things then caused the group fall to the trough.

This pattern started and repeated in the history long before the Spain and Germany instances mentioned by Rabbi Michael Lerner.

As long as the nature of this thing remains the same, the 'roller-coaster' pattern would not be changed, IMO.

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