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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5916)9/30/2004 9:44:21 AM
From: servan
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New Zealand deports two Israeli terrorists.

news.bbc.co.uk

Kelman and Cara admitted being part of a crime gang
Cara and Kelman pleaded guilty but denied being Mossad agents
Two suspected Israeli spies have been deported from New Zealand after they finished jail terms for illegally trying to obtain a passport.

Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara got six-month sentences in July, but denied working for Israeli intelligence agency Mossad.

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark severed all high-level diplomatic relations with Israel, demanding an apology before they could be restored.

The Israeli government has never commented on the men's status.

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To: servan who wrote (5917)9/30/2004 10:16:49 AM
From: Ed Huang
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Top Five Reasons Why Most American Israelis are Voting to Re-Elect President Bush
raisrael.org

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To: servan who wrote (5917)9/30/2004 11:44:27 AM
From: Brasco One
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hey ignorant, israelis are not terrorists.

go check your facts before you take up space here.

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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5918)9/30/2004 12:29:45 PM
From: Crimson Ghost
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Is Justice Being Delayed by Bush Administration Politics?

Juan Cole

09/30/04 -- Several high-profile FBI investigations, in which substantial progress have been made, may well have been put on hold by the Bush administration for political reasons. That is, it has been alleged to me that the White House may have leaned on the FBI-- not to drop the investigations but to postpone some key arrests until after the November elections.

The first such case is the investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity as a covert CIA agent to the press as way to undermine the credibility of her husband, Joe Wilson, who had gone public about his warnings to the administration that the story about the Iraqi purchase of uranium from Niger was bogus.

Warning: The text below will use the word "Neoconservative." In my lexicon, a Neoconservative is a person from a social group that typically voted Democrat before 1968 but now votes Republican. Neoconservatives include all the white southern Christian denominations, such as the Southern Baptists, that emigrated from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party as a result of the Nixon strategy, as well as the Reagan Democrats (largely working-class Catholics) and Jewish Americans who trod the same path. Neoconservatives tend to be far-right Zionists in the Jabotinsky tradition, whether they are Jews or Christian Zionists, and they are associated with a desire to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from the West Bank or at least to so circumscribe their existence there as to render them nonentities. The latest Neoconservative to enlist in the cause is Zell Miller, and he typifies the anger, recklessness and disregard for open, democratic values that characterize the movement.

Neoconservatives have gained allies for themselves from some rightwing Realists, such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, to the extent that it may well be that the latter two have been converted to the Neoconservative ideology, which is distinctive because of its historical origins on the right of the old Democratic Party and in some cases in the far left (Christopher Hitchens is another example). Some have attempted to argue that the very term "Neoconservative" is a code word for derogatory attitudes toward Jews. This argument is mere special pleading and a playing of the race cared, however, insofar as only a tiny percentage of American Jews are Neoconservatives, and only a tiny percentage of Neoconservatives are Jews. The Neoconservative movement is an example of what social scientists call cross-cutting cleavages, which are multiple loyalties and identities typical of complex urban political societies.

We now know that the Niger story involved the forgery of documents by a man with ties to Italian military intelligence, and that moreover Italian military intelligence has ties to Michael Ledeen, Harold Rhode and Lawrence Franklin, pro-Likud Neoconservatives, two of whom had high-level positions in the Pentagon and all three of whom were tightly networked with the American Enterprise Institute. Franklin (a Neoconservative Catholic) is being investigated for spying on the US for Israel. The nexus of Italian military intelligence, the office of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and the Neoconservatives in the Pentagon suggests a network of conspiracy aimed at dragging the US into wars against Iraq and Iran. The Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq after the war was in some significant part staffed by young people who had initially applied to work at the American Enterprise Institute as interns.

Joe Wilson was sent to Niger by the CIA in response to a request by Dick Cheney that they investigate the story of the Iraq uranium purchases, and he came to the (correct) conclusion that the whole idea was implausible given the structure of the industry in Niger, which was heavily under the control of European companies. The Neoconservatives around Dick Cheney, including Scooter Libby and John Hannah, were highly commited to the Niger uranium story as a casus belli against Iraq, and were furious when Wilson revealed that he had shown it false in spring of 2002. They were convinced that the CIA was behind this strike at their credibility, and that Valerie Plame had been the one who managed to get Wilson sent. That is, in their paranoid world, Wilson's honest reportage of the facts was a CIA plot against the Iraq War and perhaps against the Neoconservatives around Cheney and in the Pentagon.

It has been being leaked for many months now that the FBI believes the leak came from persons in Cheney's circle, possibly John Hannah and/or Scooter Libby. The FBI could well be ready to move in the case. But I have been told that it has orders from the White House to back off until later this fall.

There has likewise been no arrest of Franklin, though one was expected by now. This is not, as the Neoconservatives and their supporters in the press are beginning to allege, because the case against Franklin is week. Rumors are flying in Washington that the FBI found a whole cache of classified documents in his house. If this is true, it was illegal for him to keep them there. We know that the evidence against Franklin was so air tight that Franklin was turned by the FBI, and was attempting to gather incriminating evidence against other Neoconservatives on their behalf. At some point the FBI as a courtesy let Franklin's boss, Douglas Feith, know of their investigation, and apparently soon after the story was leaked to the press.

Is it possible that Franklin hasn't been charged yet not because the case is weak, but because the White House does not want to anger the powerful AIPAC lobbying organization just before an election, and does not want to risk alienating Neoconservative voters in swing states like Florida? Indeed, isn't it likely that the Franklin investigation was leaked to the press by persons in the Pentagon who feared they were under investigation, and who knew very well that such a story leaked in late August before the election would get the investigation squelched or much delayed?

Juan Cole is Professor of History at the University of Michigan

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To: Brasco One who wrote (5919)9/30/2004 1:53:30 PM
From: servan
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State sponsored Israeli terrorists attack helpless people.

news.bbc.co.uk

Many dead in Gaza Strip clashes
Aftermath of Israeli attack on a Hamas office
Israeli attacks have not stopped rockets from reaching Israeli towns
A major Israeli incursion into the centre of the Jabaliya refugee camp - the first in years - has sparked off fierce clashes across the Gaza Strip.

At least 24 people have been killed and more than 100 wounded - including Palestinian civilians and militants, and Israeli soldiers and settlers.

In the worst single incident, seven Palestinian gunmen were killed by an Israeli tank shell inside Jabaliya.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered reinforcements into Gaza.

Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz announced he had decided to launch a large-scale and open-ended military operation in the Gaza Strip to stop Palestinian rocket fire on Israeli border towns, Israel Army radio reported. The plan needed the approval of Israel's inner cabinet.

Palestinians condemned the Israeli offensive.

"This is a dangerous indicator which will lead to failure," said Nabil Abu Rudeinah, an aide to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

First incursion into heart?

Correspondents said it was the first time in the past four years of the Palestinian intifada that Israeli troops had reached the heart of the densely populated Jabaliya refugee camp.

In heavy fighting Israeli forces fired shells and machine guns as they headed for the militants' stronghold.

At least 20 Palestinians were wounded, some losing limbs, when the Israeli troops fired a shell into a group of militants, Palestinian officials said.

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To: servan who wrote (5921)9/30/2004 2:01:47 PM
From: Brasco One
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you only have three posts! LOL!!

Good luck to you anyway!

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To: servan who wrote (5921)9/30/2004 2:22:38 PM
From: AK2004
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re: In the worst single incident, seven Palestinian gunmen were killed by an Israeli tank shell inside Jabaliya.......At least 20 Palestinians were wounded, some losing limbs, when the Israeli troops fired a shell into a group of militants, Palestinian officials said

cool, IDF is doing great. We need more news like that.....

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To: Ed Huang who wrote ()9/30/2004 6:01:16 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone
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ed
you are a farking idiot

those americans that got the shit kicked out of them in Israel trying to help some pals
aRE LIKE THE MORONS ON THIS THREAD,who also could use a good enema to kick the shit out of them.

if you had any brains they would be in your ass..
lol

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (5912)9/30/2004 6:42:02 PM
From: Ed Huang
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What the writer meant "the West" is not clear to me. And he did not name any country in that paragraph.

Also the "West" now can be divided in two parts according to the war party theory: The "Old Europe" and the "New Europe". So exactly which countries in the "West" or any major country in EU is supporting Israel to attack Iran remains a big question.

The Israeli propaganda machine did not lose any opportunity to woo America and the West to invade Iraq and it's very natural that they would do the same wooing job about attacking Iran today...

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To: Ed Huang who wrote (5925)10/1/2004 3:28:08 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: So exactly which countries in the "West" or any major country in EU is supporting Israel to attack Iran remains a big question.

Perhaps the best way to answer that question is to ask another question: which countries in the "West" or any major country in EU is able --or even willing-- to thwart an Israeli strike against Iran?

Re: The Israeli propaganda machine ... would do the same wooing job about attacking Iran today...

That means the "Israeli propaganda machine" will have to contrive a smoking gun to frame Iran... The warmongers will have to come up with some serious "evidence" to sway public opinion. The WMD hoax did the trick for Iraq --what will do the trick for Iran? You guessed it: a terrorist strike on the US complete with a trail of evidence leading to Iran...

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