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To: E. Charters who wrote (1399)8/4/2007 3:40:58 PM
From: grusum
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yes, i've since heard that you have to be careful with arginine loading.

the untold part of that story is his bp continued to drop to around 120/80 before he quit. he only stayed on the program for about 7 months if i remember correctly.

he quit because he felt his freedom to eat when and what he chose was gone. his supplement schedule interfered with his everyday activities and he grew tired of it. he's quite old and doesn't want to put that much work into extending his life.

we watched him carefully. he showed no symptoms of anything going wrong. of course i'm no doctor.

now his bp is sky high again even with his medications. (he never stopped taking them by the way).

but he's still with us so we can't complain.

i ussed braverman's book as my guide. some of the aminos seemed too dangerous to try. i don't remember which ones they were now, but lysine may well have been one of them.

it sure would be nice to know for sure that one wasn't making any mistakes.

where are you finding the latest information on the aminos? sometimes i think that understanding them completely would be the biggest part of maintaining good health for the longest time.

when i move back to the states i'll be using the aminos again i'm sure.

thanks for the update (for me) on lysine.

i tried pauling's proline/lysine & C program in 1997 for a few months. i noticed no changes in anything, so i quit.

on a different note, i read that tagament is helpful against prostate cancer but ends up giving one heart problems instead.

so many things may help you in one area and hurt you in another.

i agree with you just about everything regarding nutrition. only supplement what you can't hope to get enough of from food and eat at many fruits and vegies that you can. exercise as much as you can. in addition, relax and enjoy as much of the beauty in this world as you can. enjoy time you have with good friends and enjoy the time you have alone.

i've been preparing for my death since i was about 13 years old. i don't think i've forgotten one single day to remember that i would die and try to reference as many things as i could to it. it sounds morbid, but it has really kept me happy all my life.

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To: grusum who wrote (1402)8/4/2007 3:48:40 PM
From: E. Charters
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I read Braverman, Chaitow and some other books. Lots of info on the Internet, Wikipedia.

Vitamin C content of Some Fruits.

Fruit Latin name mg/100 gs mg per slice* Ranking Notes

Acerola Malpighia glabra 1,677 80 exceptional

Apple Malus sylvestris 6 8 fairly good

Apricot Prunus armeniaca 10 4 -

Apricot, canned Prunus armeniaca 3 2 -

Asian pear Pyrus serotina 4 5 -

Avocado Persea americana 8 16 fairly good

Banana Musa X paradisiaca 9 11 good

Babaco Carica pubescens x
stipulata forma 'pentagona' 21 to 32 21 to 32 very good

Barbados Cherry Malpighia glabra 1,678 112 exceptional

Bilberry Vaccinium myrtillus 1 0.01*(estim) -

Baobab Adonsonia digitata 150 to 499 100 exceptional

Breadfruit Artocarpus altilis 29 28* very good

Blackberry Rubus sp. 6 0.6(estim) -

Blackcurrant Ribes nigrum 155 to 215 1.5 to 2(estim.) excellent

Blueberry Vaccinium sp 1.3 to 16.4 no data* -

Camu Camu Mrciaria dubia 2,700 no data astounding

Carambola Averrhoa carambola 21 19 very good

Casimiroa Casimiroa edulis 30 15* very good

Crabapple Malus sp. 8 2 (estim.) -

Cherimoya Annona cherimola 9 10* fairly good

Custard apple Annona reticulata 19 no data very good

Feijoa Feijoa sellowiana 25 13 good

Feijoa Feijoa sellowiana
C. v. 'Mammoth' 31 16 very good

Feijoa Feijoa sellowiana
C.v.'Triumph' 27 14 good

Fig Ficus carica 2 1 -

slip skin Vitis spp 4 .01 -

european Vitis vinifera 11 .60 good*

Grapefruit Citrus paradisi 34 44* excellent

Cattley Psidium cattleianum 37 2 very good*

tropical Psidium guajava 183 165 exceptional

plum Syzgium cumini 14 .42 -

Jujube Ziziphus jujuba 500 no data exceptional

Kei apple Dovyalis caffra 117 17 excellent

Kiwano Cucumis metuliferus 0.5 0.5

green Actinidia deliciosa 98 74 exceptional

yellow Actinidia chinensis 120 to 180 108 to 162 exceptional

Lemon juice Citrus limon 46 3* -

Lime juice Citrus aurantifolia 29 1* -

Longan Dimocarpus longan 84 3* good

Loquat Eriobotrya japonica 1 .5 -

Lychee Litchi chinensis 72 7* very good

Mango Mangifera indica 28 57 excellent

Marula sclerocarya birrea 68 60(estim) excellent

Medlar Mespilus germanica 0.3 0.15(estim) -

cantaloupe Cucumis melo 42 29* very good

honeydew Cucumis melo 25 20* very good

Muntingia Muntingia calabura 80 4*(estim) excellent

Natal plum Carissa macrocarpa 38 8 good

Orange Citrus sinensis 53 70 excellent

cactus Opuntia spp. 23 no data very good?

Papaya Carica papaya 62 47* excellent

Pawpaw/Asimina Asimina triloba 14 28(estim) good†

purple Passiflora edulis 30 5 -

Peach Prunus persica 7 6 -

canned Prunus persica 3 3 -

Pear Pyrus communis 4 7 -

American Diospyros virginiana 66 13(estim.) excellent

Oriental Diospyros kaki 40 40(estim.) excellent

Pineapple Ananus comosus 15 13 good

Plum Prunus sp 10 6 fairly good

Raspberry Rubus spp. 25 .5 -

Raspberry Rubus spp. 23 to 32 0.7 to 1* very good

Redcurrant Ribes sativum 58 to 81 0.58 to 0.81(estim) good

Rosehip Rosa pomifera cv.'Karpatia' 1,500 45(estim.) excellent

Rosehip Rosa sp. cv.'Pi Ro 3' 1,150 34(estim.) very good

Rosehip Rosa sp. cv.'Vitaminnyj
-VNIVI' 2,000 to 2,500 60 to 75(estim.) excellent

Surinam cherry Eugenia uniflora 26 2 -

Sapodilla Manilkara zapota 15 25 very good

Strawberry Fragaria x ananassa 57 7 very good

Mandarin Citrus reticulata 31 26 very good

red Cyphomandra betaceae 40 40 excellent

red Cyphomandra betaceae 31 22 very good

yellow Cyphomandra betaceae 33 30 very good

yellow Cyphomandra betaceae 31 22 very good

Tomato Lycopersicon sp 19 23 very good

Watermelon Citrullus lanatus 10 27 very good

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To: E. Charters who wrote (1403)8/4/2007 3:58:43 PM
From: grusum
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of those sources you mentioned, which one do you think has the best info on the aminos?

do you use wikipedia a lot to find the latest info on supplements?

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To: grusum who wrote (1404)8/4/2007 4:16:35 PM
From: E. Charters
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I start with Braverman, and Wikipedia is very basic. Braverman says you cannot find much lysine in vegetables.

Chaitow's book is a slim volume.

Robert Erdmann (1987) has a more distinctly therapeutic approach for the layman. Erdmann is totally positive about the individual amino's effects. He makes no bones about tyrosine-pheylalanine being effective weight reducers for instance. He says DL-Phenylalanine is a good anti-depressant also. Lysine he touts as a herpes blocker no quibbles.

Wikipedia infers you can find Lysine in a non wheat diet. Trouble is we need 15 grams a day. That would require 3 lbs of beans a day at 10,000 PPM. I would recommend being lacto-ovo vegghead if one wanted not to run into lysine deficiency. Or eat fish. I don't see total veggheads getting enuff B12 or Lysine in their diet, unless they are total bean freaks.

Really google search is the way to go.

Some believe aminos are hooey and to just eat protein is the answer. But with compromised arteries, I don't think we need to listen to them. It is more hooey to dismiss things out of hand by opinion. I have talked to dozens of people who cured their coldsores with lysine, but the articles say the jury is out. I have found that most research is very narrow and should be taken with a grain of salt, positive and negative. One thing is obvious to me. Some things are good for you, and some things are bad for you. There is nothing written that a north american meat and potatoes diet is the answer and it is certainly not therapeutic for many things. Another thing occurs to me. Asians are better protected against heart disease and cancer with their diet, but North Americans have stronger livers and are less affected by bacterial and viral illness. We have to strik e balance in all things. Cholesterol is a valuable anti-oxidant and disease fighter when coupled with the right anti-oxidant partners. We just have to guard against excess. Diet is our friend here. Diet may indeed load certain elements against others in therapy.


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From: E. Charters8/4/2007 4:33:46 PM
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The Substance Once Known as Vitamin

Previous name[1][2] Chemical name[1][2] Reason for name change[1]
Vitamin B4 Adenine No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin B8 Adenylic acid No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin F Essential fatty acids Needed in large quantities (does
not fit the definition of a vitamin).
Vitamin G Riboflavin Reclassified as Vitamin B2
Vitamin H Biotin Reclassified as Vitamin B7
Vitamin J Catechol, Flavin No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin L1[3] Anthranilic acid No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin L2[3] Adenylthiomethylpentose No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin M Folic acid Reclassified as Vitamin B9
Vitamin O Carnitine No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin P Flavonoids No longer classified as a vitamin
Vitamin PP Niacin Reclassified as Vitamin B3
Vitamin U S-Methylmethionine No longer classified as a vitamin

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From: E. Charters8/4/2007 5:00:14 PM
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Must Read.

All Vitamins and Pseudo-Vitamins

Compiled by David Bennett

Vitamin A

Chemical Names- Retinol, Beta Carotene (pro-vitamin A)

Deficiency- Night blindness

RDA- 5,000 IU

Optimal intake- 10,000-25,000 IU Beta Carotene

Good Sources- liver, carrots, spinach

Discussion- Vitamin A is fat soluble, and therefore can be toxic in large amounts. Taking over 25,000 IU of retinol a day can lead to toxic buildup. Beta-Carotene is an antioxidant.
Synthetic Beta-Carotene (the kind sold in supplement stores) has been shown ineffective in preventing cancer in humans.

Vitamin B1

Chemical Names- Thiamine

Deficiency- Beriberi

RDA- 1.5 mg

Optimal Intake- 5-15 mg

Good Sources- brewer's yeast, peanuts, milk, rice
Discussion- Thiamine is relatively safe.

Vitamin B2

Chemical Names- Riboflavin

Deficiency- lesions on mouth, lips, skin, etc.

RDA- 1.7 mg

Optimal Intake- 5-20 mg

Good Sources- Milk, cheese, leafy vegetables

Discussion- Riboflavin is a mild antioxidant. Its bright yellow color colors urine after it is taken. Also known as Vitamin G

Vitamin B3

Chemical Names- Niacin, Niacinamide, Nicotinic Acid

Deficiency- Pellagra

RDA- 20 mg

Optimal Intake- 50-500 mg

Good Sources- lean meat, whole wheat, brewer's yeast

Discussion- Niacin in higher doses results in a "flush" reaction, while Niacinamide is flush-free. Niacinamide does not have anti-cholesterol properties though. Also known as

Vitamin PP for "pellagra-preventative"

Vitamin B4

Chemical Names- Adenine

Deficiency- Muscular weakness (in rats and chicks)

Good Sources- Widespread in animal and plant tissues

Discussion- Adenine is a purine base of nucleic acids. Its status as a human vitamin is in doubt.

Vitamin B5

Chemical Names- Pantothenic Acid, Panthenol, (Calcium) Pantothenate

Deficiency- hypoglycemia, ulcers, skin disorders.
RDA- 10 mg Optimal Intake- 15-500 mg Good Sources- Meat, whole grains, leafy vegetables

Discussion- Studies with rats by Dr. Roger Williams showed that Pantothenic Acid may be beneficial in fighting the effects of stress.

Vitamin B6

Chemical Names- Pyridoxine

Deficiency- Anemia, dermatitis, glossitis RDA- 2 mg

Optimal Intake- 10-100 mg

Good Sources- Brewer's yeast, soy beans, wheat germ

Discussion- As a methylating agent, B6 has potential to fight homocysteine, possibly reducing the risk of heart disease. Amounts in excess of 200 mg/day might lead to toxicity, expressed in nerve problems.

Vitamin B7

Deficiency- Digestive disorders in pigeons.

Good Sources- Rice polish Discussion- Also known as Vitamin I. See also Biotin which some have called "Vitamin B7."

Vitamin B8*

Chemical Names- 5'-Adenylic Acid, Ergadenylic Acid, Adenosine Monophosphate Deficiency- Decreases RNA, ADP, and ATP synthesis, inhibits breakdown of food into energy, reduces hormone function.

Good Sources- Yeast

Discussion- This nucleotide is still listed as a "Nutrient" by the Merck Index. Many sources now claim this substance is indeed an essential vitamin.

Vitamin B9*

Chemical Names- Mixture of multiple B Vitamins

Discussion- See Folic Acid. Some later researchers used Vitamin B9 to classify Folic Acid

Vitamin B10*

Chemical Names- pteroylmonoglutamic acid mixed with other B vitamins

Deficiency- Depressed growth and feathering in chicks.

Discussion- Also known as Vitamin R and "Factor R."

Vitamin B11*

Chemical Names- Pteryl-hepta-glutamic acid (?)

Deficiency- Depressed growth and feathering in chicks

Discussion- Also called Vitamin S and "Factor S."

Vitamin B12

Chemical Names- Cobalamin, Cyanocobalamin, Methylcobalamin

Deficiency- Pernicious Anemia RDA- 6 mcg

Optimal Intake- 100-1,000 mcg

Good Sources- Meat products, cheese

Discussion- B12 reduces homocysteine levels in the blood, thus it possibly has a role in heart disease prevention. B12 needs "intrinsic factor" to be absorbed, and some stomachs do not produce enough, hence the need for injections.

Vitamin B13*

Chemical Names- Orotic Acid, Pyrimidinecarboxylic Acid

Deficiency- Possibly Multiple Sclerosis

Good Sources- Whey, Root vegetables

Discussion- Orotic Acid, as a "mineral transporter" is available in the form of Calcium Orotate, Magnesium Orotate, etc. Its vitamin status is unlikely. By association, Aspartic Acid, and Colamine Phosphate (Calcium AEP) are in the same class of "mineral transporters," and might have some claim as "B13."

Vitamin B14*

Deficiency- Anemia

Good Sources- Yeast, grains, legumes, organ meats, wine.

Discussion- Little is known about this; it might be similar to B10 and B11. Perhaps a substance isolated from wine that prevents cancer.

Vitamin B15 *

Chemical Names- Pangamic Acid, Pangametin, Calcium Pangamate, Dimethylglycine, diisopropylamine dichloroacetate

Optimal Intake- 50-150 mg

Good Sources- Yeast, Apricot seeds, Corn

Discussion- The chemical identity of B15 is often disputed. Generally it is believed to be Dimethylgycine (DMG) and Gluconic Acid, although other B15 mixtures vary. If DMG is responsible for its benefits, then Trimethylglyci e would be B15 by association. Both DMG and TMG act as methylators and reduce homocysteine in the blood. Vitamin status is unlikely. 'Discovered' along with laetrile, by Ernst Krebs, Sr., MD and his son Ernst Krebs, Jr.

Vitamin B16*

Discussion- Perhaps studied in Russia, but vitamin status never fully developed. Vitamin B17

Chemical Names- Amygdalin, Prunasin (d-mandelonitrile glucoside), Dhurrin, Linamarin, Lotaustralin, Sambunigrin (l-mandelonitrile glucoside), Prulaurasin (dlmandelonitrile
glucoside), Triglochinin, Linustatin, Neolinustatin, Laetrile, oratrile.

Deficiency- Possible increased incidence of cancer

Optimal Intake- 25-100 mg Good Sources- Apricot seeds, buckwheat, millet, lima beans, flax

Discussion- Supposed anti-cancer substances, a group of cyanide producing sugars known as "cyanogenic glycosides" or “nitrilosides” that release cyanide when acted upon by the enzyme beta-glucosidase (emulsion). Often taken in concentrated form of amygdalin, but soon after mixed with water, the chemical is subject to ephemerization, so quality is poor when pre-mixed in water. Laetrile is a patented formula containing amygdalin, although laetrile is no longer available commercially. Rodent research suggests anti-metastatic effect at high injectable doses. Is an unproven therapy for cancer. Vitamin status unlikely.

Vitamin B22*

Discussion- Listed in Linda Clark's 'Know Your Nutrition.' Otherwise, unknown. Aloe Vera is a possible source.

Vitamin Bc- See Folic Acid

Vitamin Bh- See Inositol

Vitamin Bp- See Choline

Vitamin Bt*

Chemical Names- L-Carnitine Optimal Intake- 500 mg

Good Sources- Chicken, red meats, fish

Discussion- Carnitine is an amino acid and not essential as a protein or vitamin. It has been promoted as a treatment for heart disease. Vitamin Bx - See PABA Vitamin Bw- See Biotin

Folic Acid

Chemical Names- Folacin, Pteroylglutamic Acid, Folate, Folinic Acid

Deficiency- Nutritional macrocytic anemia RDA- 400 mcg

Optimal Intake- 400-1,000 mg

Good Sources- Green leafy vegetables, soy beans, oranges

Discussion- Folic Acid has potential to fight homocysteine, perhaps having a role in reducing heart disease. Folic Acid is also a key factor in the prevention of many birth defects. Also known as Vitamin M


Deficiency- Eczema, improper fat metabolism RDA- 300 mcg

Optimal Intake- 300-10,000 mcg

Good Sources- Brewer's yeast, soy beans, egg yolk

Discussion- A Biotin deficiency is rare. Unless raw egg whites are eaten often (they contain a substance that binds Biotin), we get ample Biotin. Recently high-dose Biotin has been found to benefit Diabetes. Also known as Coenzyme R, Factor W, Factor S, Factor H, Factor X, and Vitamin H


Deficiency- Liver problems Optimal Intake- 100-1000 mg
Good Sources- Brewer's yeast, Lecithin, wheat germ Discussion- Choline can be made in the human body, but nonetheless, of all questionable vitamins, Choline is closest to being recognized as essential.


Deficiency - possibly Eczema (who are they trying to kid!? Lose inositol and you will lose your total health, get cancer and heart disease.. really at risk from insecticide and herbicide load )

Optimal Intake- 100-1,000 mg Good Sources- Brewer's yeast, grapefruits, Lecithin, peanuts Discussion- Inositol is still present in many B-Complex formulas, and is probably a B Complex
"factor," appearing with the B vitamins, rather than an actual vitamin.


Chemical Names- Para-Aminobenzoic Acid Deficiency- Graying of hair, eczema in animals Optimal Intake- 10-100 mg

Good Sources- Brewer's yeast, wheat germ, sunflower seeds Discussion- PABA was often used in sunscreens, although some people have reactions when it is applied to the skin. Like Choline, and Inositol, it still appears in B-Complex formulas despite not actually "essential."


Chemical Names- Pyrroloquinoline Quinone

Deficiency- fertility issues in mice Optimal intake- unknown

Good Sources- natto, parsley, green tea, green peppers, papaya, and kiwi

Discussion- Some Japanese researchers at the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research in Tokyo believe that PQQ (discovered in 1979) may actually be a vitamin, within the B-Complex. If so, it is the first new vitamin to be discovered in over 55 years!

Vitamin C

Chemical Names- Ascorbic Acid Deficiency- Scurvy RDA- 60 mg

Optimal Intake- 100-1,000 mg Good Sources- Citrus fruits

Discussion- Vitamin C is an antioxidant, and has been found to benefit against cancer, infections, and other disorders.

Vitamin D

Chemical Names- ergocalciferol, calciferol, colecalciferol

Deficiency- Ricketts RDA- 400 IU Optimal Intake- 400-600 IU

Good Sources- Milk, Sunlight Discussion- Vitamin D is essential for bone health, and is being shown to be an important
factor in cancer and multiple sclerosis prevention.

Vitamin E

Chemical Names- Alpha-tocopherol, alpha-tocopheryl

Deficiency- infertility RDA- 30 IU Optimal Intake- 100-300 IU
Good Sources- Sunflower seeds, wheat germ

Discussion- Vitamin E has been shown to be a strong antioxidant, and helpful in preventing and treating prostate problems. Alpha-tocopherol is the only vitamin form, although beta, gamma, delta, etc, tocopherols exist, and might be beneficial. Intake of over 400 IU/day has been linked to increased mortality, therefore supplementation below this amount is suggested. 'D-alpha' is the natural form of the vitamin, while 'dl-alpha' is synthetic.

Vitamin F

Chemical Names- Linoleic Acid, Linolenic Acid, Arachadonic Acid

Deficiency- Similar to those associated with lack of fat in diet RDA- None established Good Sources- Vegetable oils

Discussion- Vitamin F is a term for the macronutrients known as Essential Fatty Acids.

Vitamin G - See Vitamin B2

Vitamin H- See Biotin

Vitamin I - See Vitamin B7

Vitamin J

Chemical Names- Catechol, Flavin Good Sources- Higher woody plants Discussion- Catechol is a flavonoid. Vitamin J has also been applied to Choline

Vitamin K

Chemical Names- Menadione, Phytomenadione Deficiency- Hemorrhage RDA- 80 mcg Optimal Intake- 100-150 mcg

Good Sources- Green leafy vegetables, cheeses

Discussion- Essential for blood clotting; is now recognized as a key factor in bone health.

Vitamin L1*

Chemical Names- Ortho-Aminobenzoic Acid, Anthranilic Acid

Good Sources- bovine liver

Deficiency- Lactation problems in animals

Vitamin L2*

Chemical Names- Adenyl Thiomethylpentose Good Sources- Yeast
Deficiency- Lactation problems in animals Vitamin M- See Folic Acid

Vitamin N*

Chemical Names- Thioctic Acid, Alpha-lipoic acid

Deficiency- lack of growth in protozoa and bacteria.

Optimal Intake- 300-600 mg

Discussion- Alpha-Lipoic Acid has been used recently in Diabetes treatment, and is an antioxidant.

Vitamin P*

Chemical Names- Rutin, Hesperidin, Quercetin, Citrus Bioflavonoids Deficiency- Capillary fragility

Optimal Intake- 100-1,000 mg

Good Sources- Citrus fruits, onions, vegetables

Discussion- While not vitamins, Bioflavonoids are making a comeback as non-essential beneficial chemicals. Often associated with Vitamin C, many referring to Vitamin P as "C-Complex." There are over 1000 chemicals that can be classified as Bioflavonoids.

Vitamin PP - see Vitamin B3

Vitamin Q

Deficiency- Inability of blood to clot in telagiectasia patients

Good Sources-Soybeans, clover, alfalfa

Discussion- Named after Dr. Armand J. Quick, who found a substance in soybeans could prevent bleeding in people with telagiectasia. According to Quick, only essential in patients with that rare blood disorder.

Vitamin R

Discussion- Old name for Vitamin B10. Also on "The Simpsons" the vitamin in the "malk" drink, the kids drank at lunch on a budget crisis!

Vitamin S

Deficiency- Sterility

Good Sources- kelp

Discussion- I found one reference to this in a book a long time ago. Kelp is known for its many nutrients, so it's likely that this substance is some other vitamin or mineral. Vitamin B11 was also called Vitamin S for awhile.

Vitamin T*

Chemical Names- Tegotin, Termitin, Torutilin Deficiency- Anemia, lack of growth Good Sources- Yeast, termites, fungi, sesame seeds Discussion- Vitamin T has been used as a name for growth-promoting substances in termites, yeast and fungi.

However, many sources list it a blood health factor in sesame
seeds. It is likely that these are two separate chemicals and the factor in termites is distinct from that in sesame seeds. This happens because different researchers discover nutrients and call them by the same name, not knowing another person has already used the designation.

Vitamin U*

Chemical Names- Methylmethioninesulfonium Chloride, Cabagin-U, SMethylmethionine

Deficiency- Ulcers

Good Sources- Cabbage, Alfalfa, Green leafy vegetables, egg yolks

Discussion- Cabbage Juice often heals ulcers in a week or two, so Dr. Garnett Cheney of Stanford, whose research backed up this assertion, proposed it was a vitamin. However, research is lacking into the chemical's vitamin status. Another possible factor responsible for Vitamin U activity in Cabbage and Alfalfa might be Allantoin or possibly the amino acid glutamine.

Vitamin V*

Chemical Names- Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, NAD

Deficiency- Developmental problems in chicks

Discussion- Vitamin V was also used of PABA

Vitamin W*

Discussion- Possibly Biotin

Vitamin X*

Deficiency- Aging

Good Sources- Hydrocotyle Asiatica Minor (an herb)

Discussion- A proposed vitamin by certain researchers, I read about in Worldwide Secrets For Staying Young by Paavo Airola. Ultimately "Vitamin X" is used to describe any unknown vitamin, including PABA before it was isolated.

Vitamin Y*

Discussion- Perhaps Vitamin B6.

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From: E. Charters8/4/2007 7:04:01 PM
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Super Oxide Dismutase

Man what a beast! If you want to be a dragon killer, you gotta be a dragon.

We we need selenium and incidentally cysteine to be truly anti-oxidant.

Note the similarity to the beast above.

You cannot just take glutathione to increase your load of this important anti-oxidant. But it is important to make sure you get cysteine/n-acetyl cysteine and selenium so that you can make this stuff.

So cysteine + selenium + methionine (SAMe ) makes placid lipids, and low HD.

Cysteine can be found in eggs, meat, red peppers, garlic, onions, broccoli, brussel sprouts, oats, milk, whey protein, and wheat germ. However, it is not classified as an essential amino acid, and can usually be synthesized by the human body under normal physiological conditions if a sufficient quantity of methionine is available.

This explains why methionine supplementation makes sense whereas some believe that methionine is a toxin as it is found in excess in failing circulatory systems. The reason for this is that the methionine metabolism is incomplete. With excess cysteine and selenium and methylation processes the methionine would be used up, and the system healthier. In fact methionine supplementation is beneficial by all accounts, so its overload in an ailing system is a paradox.

But if the minerals zinc, copper, selenium, magnesium, and the vitamins B1 and B6 are not there, then it is unlikely that you will get good quantities of anti-oxidant made to combat progressive illness.


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From: LindyBill8/5/2007 4:52:46 AM
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Angioplasty vs. Track Your Plaque

What does angioplasty have over the Track Your Plaque program?

Well, first of all, the Track Your Plaque program has a lot to boast about. What other approach can claim to have reduced heart disease 30, 40, 51, and now 63%? That's as close to a cure that's ever--EVER--been achieved. Statin drug manufacturers can talk about an occasional 1, 2, or 5% reversal. We're talking 10 times more.

The Track Your Plaque program also uses as little prescription medication as necessary. Fish oil, vitamin D, coenzyme Q10, niacin--some of the frequent tools used for plaque reversal in our program. Yes, we do use prescription medications, but only when there is truly a benefit and nutritional strategies have failed to achieve the goals we're seeking. We do not endorse shotgun prescription approaches conceived of by some marketing department at a pharmaceutical company.

So what possible advantage can coronary angioplasty have? Why don't more people embrace a program like Track Your Plaque that has already proven itself enormously effective?

Because angioplasty is easy. There's little worrying ahead of time. Just wait for the symptoms or other problem to appear, go to the hospital and get your procedure. You can live the free and easy life beforehand--no exercise, no diet efforts, no nutritional supplements. Just be sure to go to the hospital when suspicious symptoms strike. (Of course, you gamble that you survive the appearance of symptoms, a process 30-50% of people fail to survive.)

That means you can eat all you want, drink all you want, save the money you otherwise might have thrown away on supplements, pocket the monthly costs of an exercise club membership, etc. Go to the hospital when you experience the sensation of an anvil on your chest or of suffocation, let the emergency room do their thing, meet your cardiologist, go to the catheterization laboratory, get two or three stents, go home the next day!

Why bother with a prevention program, especially one that requires involvement, learning, and effort like Track Your Plaque?

Because it's your way to stack the odds enormously in your favor of 1) surviving the appearance of symptoms, 2) avoiding the prospect of heart procedures, which are not as clean and easy as they often seem, 3) have a longer lasting durability than a stent which could buy you a couple of years before your next procedure or heart catastrophe, and 4) it's the right thing to do for the sake of the huge societal cost of heart disease.

Many of you have the equivalent of a cure for heart disease at your fingertips. Unless you have a soft spot in your heart for hospitals, cardiologists, or the pharmaceutical or medical device industry, there isn't a choice.

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To: E. Charters who wrote (1399)8/5/2007 1:35:02 PM
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You mentioned that lysine is not indicated if there is a milk or wheat allergy. Can you cite the source? Many thanks for your inputs.

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To: Maven1 who wrote (1410)8/5/2007 2:32:32 PM
From: E. Charters
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Braverman, Healing Nutrients Within.

I made a mistake about needs. A large adult, absolute max, base needs by some authority are 3.5 grams a day of lysine.

Smallish adult about 1 gram ordinary needs by RDA.

Some people do intake 15 grams a day, but RDA is nowhere near that. Stated RDA right now is less than a gram.

Lysine is high in Wheat Germ, grains, eggs and in Milk.

If one is allergic to these, it could be related to the lysine.
It is more probable that he means that lysine could be made from these products...

I wonder about that myself as Lysine is essential, and Lysine itself can be used in the case of a yeast allergy.

Other people say Lysine is hypoallergenic. so go figure.

Others say do not drink milk at the same time you take lysine. Not enuff info here.

"L-Lysine is an essential amino acid, important for the absorption of Calcium, the formation of collagen (contained in cartilage, connective tissue, skin, hair and bone), and the production of bone tissue. L-Lysine (Hypoallergenic) is a free form amino acid, high purity, well tolerated.*"


More about Lysine

Lysine is one of 20 most common natural amino acids that the body needs for growth and tissue repair. Lysine is an essential amino acid because it cannot be synthesized in the body and its breakdown is irreversible. Lysine is the limiting amino acid in all cereal grains, but is plentiful in all pulses. A deficiency in lysine can result in a deficiency in niacin (which is a B Vitamin). This can cause the disease pellagra. In the tissues, lysine readily converts its epsilon carbon then to carbon dioxide, helping to form glutamic acid. It can also be converted to carnitine in the body. A unique property that lysine has is that it does not change its nitrogen with other circulating amino acids. Like all amino acids, lysine functions as a building block for proteins. It's also a key player in the production of various enzymes, hormones, and disease-fighting antibodies. Lysine is involved in the browning reaction, or carmelization, in foods such as pastries, doughnuts, cookies and cereals. Lysine is dependent upon riboflavin, niacin, and vitamin B6 for its assimilation. Using iron and vitamin C, lysine helps form collagen.

Lysine functions, uses, and health benefits
Lysine has many functions in the body because it is incorporated into many proteins, each of which is used by the body for a variety of purposes. It is an essential building block for all protein, and is needed for proper growth and bone development in children.
Lysine helps the body absorb and conserve calcium and it plays an important role in the formation of collagen, a substance important for bones and connective tissues including skin, tendon, and cartilage. When vitamin C is combined with lysine, the formation of collagen is enhanced. Collagen is important to the formation of bone and tissue along with its repair. Because it helps to build muscle protein and repair tissues, lysine is especially important for those recovering from surgery or sports-related injuries.

The most promising application of lysine is its use in managing and preventing painful and unsightly herpes sores caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV). Lysine interferes with replication of herpes viruses and is therefore often prescribed by doctors to people with cold sores or genital herpes. Lysine supplements (as opposed to foods high in this nutrient) can also play an important role in staving off and reducing the severity of herpes-related cold sores. L-lysine can be used to treat mouth and genital lesions caused by herpes simplex virus as well as shingles caused by herpes zoster viruses. Lysine, when combine with arginine can stimulate release of human growth hormone. Growth hormone boosts metabolic funcition, increasing the rate at which fat is burnt for energy. Growth hormone also has an anabolic effect, promoting protein formation and tissue growth. pain following an episiotomy. These forms of lysine may also relieve migraine headaches and painful periods.

Dietary sources of lysine

Good sources of lysine are foods rich in protein including meat (specifically red meat, pork, and poultry), cheese (particularly parmesan), certain fish (such as cod and sardines), nuts, eggs, soybeans (particularly tofu, isolated soy protein, and defatted soybean flour), spirulina, and fenugreek seed. The soy-based products are especially beneficial to vegetarians, who may find it difficult to enrich their diets with lysine. Vegetables, on the other hand, are generally a poor source of lysine, with the exception of legumes (beans, peas, lentils). Lysine is also available as L-lysine acetylsalicylate (LAS), Lysine clonixinate (LC), and L-lysine monohydrochlorine (LMH). Foods (like gelatin, chocolate, carob, coconut, oats, wholewheat and white flour, peanuts, soybean) contain a high arginine to lysine ratio and should be avoided during a herpes eruption.

Lysine dosage, intake

As with all supplements and medications, it is necessary to consult your doctor for proper dosage. Most people do not require lysine supplementation. Adults may need up to 30 mg per kilogram of body weight per day. Typical dosage used for possible prevention of herpes simplex virus recurrence is 500 mg to 3 grams daily. The average dose is 1 gram daily. Higher doses are split throughout the day. Of all the amino acids, lysine is the most sensitive to the effects of food processing, such as dry heat. The amount of protein available in legumes and other sources of lysine can be significantly reduced if they have been toasted or roasted.

Lysine deficiency
Lysine deficiencies occur more often in people who do not consume any animal products than in those who do. A lysine deficiency can occur either by an inadequate dietary intake or by an excessive arginine intake. Lysine deficiency can interfere with carnitine synthesis and have adverse impact upon fat metabolism to energy. A lysine deficiency may also lead to calcium loss, which could increase your risk of developing osteoporosis. Symptoms of lysine deficiency include fatigue, nausea, dizziness, loss of appetite, agitation, bloodshot eyes, slow growth, anemia, and reproductive disorders.

Toxicity, side effects, interactions, and contraindications

Lysine supplements are considered safe and nontoxic. Side effects have not been reported with the use of lysine, although very high doses (more than 10 grams a day) may cause gastrointestinal symptoms, such as nausea, abdominal cramps and diarrhea. Lysine must be used with care in supplement form when taking antibiotics. In very large doses (10 to 30 grams a day), lysine increases the toxicity of aminoglycoside antibiotics, such as gentamicin, neomycin, and streptomycin. Don't drink milk at the same time you take lysine.



Many illnesses are caused by the body’s inability to absorb nutrients because the source of these nutrients is hostile to the body. This hostility is allergies, and many people have them and don’t even know it. Allergies are antagonistic to our metabolisms and rob us of nourishment. Unfortunately, many people in the Western medical profession consider allergies to be non-curable. Each allergic substance is caused by or attributed to a certain nutrient, or combination of nutrient deficiency. Furthermore, specific vitamin, mineral, and amino acid combinations are necessary for the complete absorption of particular foods. For example, there are 23 different Vitamin B-complex factors. Yeast is promoted by the health food industry as a source of B-complex vitamins, but so many people are allergic to yeast. The mineral essential for the absorption of yeast is Zinc. Therefore, an allergy to yeast can be corrected by administering Zinc. Other vitamins, which may also be lacking, and could subsequently cause a yeast allergy, would be Vitamin B-1 and B-6. Herbs, which can be utilized to correct the yeast allergy, are Pau D’Arco, Red Clover (rich in Zinc) and Comfrey. The amino acid necessary to alleviate a yeast allergy is Lysine, found in Comfrey.


A common allergy is the "wheat allergy." Vitamins such as Vitamin E are often made from wheat germ and are not absorbed properly by the person with a "wheat allergy."

Antidotes to wheat allergies are Magnesium, the amino acid Histidine, and Vitamin F. Vitamin F is linoleic acid which exists in poly-unsaturated fats such as Safflower Oil, Olive Oil (which also contains Vitamin E), Castor Bean Oil, Sunflower Oil, and Peanut Oil. The herbs Black Walnut and Kelp are also helpful in correcting a wheat allergy, as they are naturally rich in Magnesium and other essential minerals. A lack of both Sodium and the amino acid Histidine will also cause an allergy to wheat. Wheat allergies often occur in the summertime. The sun tends to burn up Vitamin F. If the sun should cause sunburn, the body will send all of its available Vitamin F to the sunburned area to correct it. Vitamin F is used as a skin regenerator. This is why people put oils on their bodies when in the sun. Many people, during the summer, will feel exhausted and drained. This is not only from the heat, which causes a Potassium and Sodium deficiency because of sweating, but is also due to a wheat allergy because the sun has burned up the body’s supply of Vitamin F. Don’t eat wheat if you are sunburned, eat something that is not affected by the sun, like rice, or even better, coconut, which contains a highly saturated fat which is the antidote for sunburn and a wheat allergy!


The Yeast Series, also including barley, cherry, millet, potato, prune, raisin, rye and walnut—Vitamins B-1 and B-6; Mineral Zinc; Amino Acid Lysine (Comfrey); Herbs Pau D’Arco, Red Clover and Comfrey.

The Rice Series, also including cinnamon, curry, blueberry, grape, strawberry, watermelon, wine and pumpkin—Vitamin B-12; Mineral Manganese; Amino Acids Arginine and Proline; Herbs Yucca and Beet Powder.

Wheat, feathers, wool, dust, detergents and animal dander—Linoleic Essential Fatty Acids; Mineral Magnesium; Amino Acid Histidine; Herbs Black Walnut, Kelp and Spirulina.

Corn Allergy—Essential Fatty Acids; Minerals Magnesium and Potassium; Amino Acid Histidine; Herbs Black Walnut, Kelp and Bee Pollen.

The Fat Series, including meat, vegetable and milk fats and cosmetics—Vitamins Biotin (H) and Carnitine (Bt); Mineral Sulfur; Amino Acids Methionine, Cysteine, Taurine, Glutathione, Threonine and Carnitine; Herbs Sarsaparilla, Eyebright, Fenugreek, Dandelion, Burdock, Fennel Seeds.

Oatmeal and Sesame Allergy—Vitamins C and Folic Acid; Mineral Iron; Amino Acid Citrilline; Herb Yellow Dock.

Milk Allergy—Vitamin D; Mineral Potassium; Amino Acids Aspartic Acid and Asparagine; Herbs Bee Pollen, Alfalfa and Hawthorne Berry.

Citrus Allergy—Vitamin B-5; Mineral Calcium; Amino Acid Serine; Herbs Comfrey and Royal Jelly.
The Pepper Series, also including peaches, pears, plums and nectarines—Vitamin Niacinamide; mineral Phosphorus; Amino Acid L’Glutamine; Herb Royal Jelly.


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