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To: Joachim K who wrote (7200)10/19/2021 8:48:29 AM
From: Tom Clarke
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It's just like Quasimodo predicted

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To: Joachim K who wrote (7199)10/19/2021 9:06:39 AM
From: Tom Clarke
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It remains a mystery why Benedict was forced to abdicate.

>>For all of John Paul II’s brilliance and courage, in many ways I regard Benedict as more significant intellectually, and perhaps will yet come to be seen as the equal to JPII in consequences because of a single deed, which was his own “Be not afraid” moment. I refer of course to his 2006 “ Regensburg Lecture” that outraged the Muslim world for its criticism of its anti-rationalism. The clear implication of the lecture is that Islam needs to “re-Hellenize” as Christianity did if it is truly to live up to its slogan as a “religion of peace.” The Regensburg Lecture has been rightly compared to Solzhenitsyn’s 1978 Harvard commencement address, and it is worth jumping into the chief offending passage:

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7202)10/19/2021 9:37:11 AM
From: Joachim K
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G.K. Chesterton on Islam

“Christendom might quite reasonably have been alarmed if it had not been attacked. But as a matter of history it had been attacked. The Crusader would have been quite justified in suspecting the Moslem even if the Moslem had merely been a new stranger; but as a matter of history he was already an old enemy. The critic of the Crusade talks as if it had sought out some inoffensive tribe or temple in the interior of Tibet, which was never discovered until it was invaded. They seem entirely to forget that long before the Crusaders had dreamed of riding to Jerusalem, the Moslems had almost ridden into Paris.”

Dr. Thomas Madden on Islam

“Now put this down in your notebook, because it will be on the test: The crusades were in every way a defensive war. They were the West's belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world.”

Piers Paul Read on Islam

“The first point to be made in defense of the Crusades is that they were initially a response to Islamic aggression. Islam, from its inception, had espoused the use of force. Where Jesus had died for his beliefs, the Prophet Mohammed had wielded a sword. Though Christianity was later to be exploited for political ends, the Christian religion as such had, in the first three centuries of its existence, spread peacefully--thriving, in fact, on the blood of its martyrs. I say this not to score a point in favour of Christianity but to emphasize an historical truth: The spread of Islam from the Arabian peninsula to south-western France in the eighth century; and to the gates of Vienna in the seventeenth, came as a result of conquest by Islamic armies.”

Dr. Paul Halsall on Islam

[Dr. Paul Halsall to CNN interviewer Jonathan Mann]” I think there is just as much bad information, for instance, in Christiane's [Amanpour] report or in your previous segment, than is in the film. For instance, the idea that the Muslim world has this memory of the Crusades is very largely incorrect. It is a recovered memory. The idea that Jerusalem is Islam's third holiest place, Islam has many third holiest places. The idea that the capture of Jerusalem in 1099 was particularly horrific. All of these things are truisms repeated repeatedly on television, but they are not in fact correct.”

Dr. William Urban on Islam

“The story we tell about the crusades is that of ambitious nobles and merchants; intolerant Christians who kill innocent Jews, peaceful Arabs, and non-conventional Christians [heretics]; and scheming popes. Most of these villains are half competent fools and knaves who enrich themselves through taxes and trade, excusing their excesses through pious hypocrisy. In these stores the Turks are somehow forgotten, as though they were not a dangerous enemy at that time, or are confused with Arabs, while the Armenians, Byzantines, and other near-Eastern Christians are ignored for lack of time and space to discuss them. What is emphasized most strongly is the moral superiority of "natives," non-Christians, and non-traditional Christians. Secondly, the victimization of culturally superior Moslems by ethnocentric Westerners whose crudeness is equalled only by their love of violence and cunning. Lastly, any questioning of this thesis is dismissed as racism. In short, an aging collection of anti-colonial sentiments has merged with mild political correctness (opposition to violence, scepticism toward Western religious traditions and practices, concern for social issues reflecting race, gender, class, and ethnicity) to dominate current historiography of the Crusades.”

Dr. Thomas Madden on Islam

“If the Muslims won the crusades (and they did), why the anger now? Shouldn't they celebrate the crusades as a great victory? Until the nineteenth century that is precisely what they did. It was the West that taught the Middle East to hate the crusades. During the peak of European colonialism, historians began extolling the medieval crusades as Europe's first colonial venture. By the 20th century, when imperialism was discredited, so too were the crusades. They haven't been the same since. In other words, Muslims in the Middle East — including bin Laden and his creatures — know as little about the real crusades as Americans do. Both view them in the context of the modern, rather than the medieval world. The truth is that the crusades had nothing to do with colonialism or unprovoked aggression. They were a desperate and largely unsuccessful attempt to defend against a powerful enemy.”

Dr. Timothy Furnish on Islam

“As Vincent Carroll so eloquently explains, only a historical ignoramus--or, I would add at the risk of redundancy, a tendentious PBS editor --could produce the claptrap statement that the Crusades marked the first time Islam and the West met on the battlefield. Islam began with one man in Mecca and, within less than two centuries, encompassed territory from the Iberian Peninsula to the Hindu Kush. This expansion did not happen peacefully. The Arab Muslim armies attacked and conquered Byzantine Christian territories in Syria and Egypt and, a bit later, Arab-Berber Muslim forces conquered the formerly Roman, but still Christian, cities and towns across North Africa and into what is now Spain and Portugal, ruling there for seven centuries. Muslim armies invaded the Frankish Kingdom, later to become France, in 732 and were defeated by Charlemagne's grandfather, Charles Martel. Over the next three centuries the Sunni Muslim Seljuq Turks further dissected the Byzantine Empire, beginning a process that would be completed by their cousins the Ottomans, who conquered Constantinople in 1453 and ruled south-eastern Europe for centuries. So the Crusades, far from being the first time Muslims and Christians fought, were actually merely the first time that Christians, after four centuries of defeats, really fought back. “

John Quincy Adams on Islam:

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, [{Editor’s Note: Mohammed] combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.

He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE [capitals in original].

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus…

The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. [Capitals in original]

—John Quincy Adams, “Christianity—Islamism.” “Unsigned essays dealing with the Russo-Turkish War, and on Greece,” originally published in The American Annual Register for 1827–1829 (New York, 1830).

John Wesley on Islam:

Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it … have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are razed from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.

— John Wesley, “The Doctrine of Original Sin, Works” (1841), ix 205

Alexis de Tocqueville on Islam:

In the 1840’s. Alexis de Tocqueville traveled twice to Algeria. He wrote to Arthur de Gobineau, October 22, 1843:

“I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Mohammed.

“So far as I can see, it is the principle cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.”

Winston Churchill on Islam:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Barack Hussein Obama II on Islam:

"I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story."

"That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't."

"These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings."

"America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

"So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed"

"Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality"

"As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith."

"I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month."

"My job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives."

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From: Joachim K10/25/2021 10:30:36 AM
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France: ‘F*** the Islamophobes,’ ‘To all teachers, I’ll behead you’

October 24, 2021 3:00 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER 10 COMMENTS

This is France’s wonderful new diversity, which is a cause for unalloyed joy.

“After the tribute to Samuel Paty, threatening graffiti directed at teachers at Jaume high school in Pierrelatte,” translated from “Après l’hommage à Samuel Paty, un tag menaçant envers les profs au lycée Jaume à Pierrelatte,” by Damien Triomphe, France Bleu, October 22, 2021 (thanks to Medforth):

Threatening graffiti was discovered Thursday, October 21 on a door of a boy’s toilet at the Gustave-Jaume high school in Pierrelatte, “To all teachers, I’ll behead you.” The academic director of Drôme calls for restraint and vigilance.

“Does it have a meaning? Is it a matter of stupidity? In any case, it automatically puts us on alert,” the academic director of Drôme, Pascal Clément, assures us. And for good reason: extremely threatening graffiti was discovered Thursday, October 21 at the very beginning of the afternoon on the door of the boy’s toilet at the Lycée Gustave-Jaume in Pierrelatte. It said “F*** the Islamophobes,” “To all teachers, I’ll behead you,” among other things.

The principal lodged a complaint. The graffiti was obviously erased in the wake of its discovery. A message was sent internally to the staff of the establishment. “The best way to deal with this is to inform so that everyone is vigilant,” the academic director explained. Threats written by one or more young people may not reflect their intentions, “we don’t know how genuine the message is,” warns Pascal Clément.

Tuesday, October 19, a hooded individual already burst into a class in progress and threw a chair in the direction of a teacher, who avoided it.

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7202)10/27/2021 9:27:37 PM
From: Joachim K
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Hermits excommunicated after accusing Pope of heresy

by Madoc Cairns

Fr Stephen de Kerdrel, founder of The Hermits

Three hermits living on an Orkney island in Scotland have been excommunicated from the Church after accusing Pope Francis of heresy.

The Black Hermits of Westray in Orkney – Fr Stephen de Kerdrel, Sister Colette Roberts and Brother Damon Kelly – received notice of their excommunication from the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles on Christmas Day.

The diocese’s action was in response to a declaration’ signed by the hermits in April 2019, in which the they state that Catholicism is “being transformed inexorably into [a] False Church” and that the pope, “by his utterances, his behaviour, his teaching and his actions, has shown himself to be...a great heretic."

The three hermits' excommunication means they will no longer be able to receive the sacraments licitly unless they reconcile with the Church.

The diocese has clarified that, given the declaration contained a statement by the hermits that they have withdrawn “obedience from Pope Francis and sever[ed] communion with the Holy See”, the group had, canonically speaking, excommunicated themselves.

Bishop of Argyll and the Isles, Brian McGee, wrote to the Hermits on being informed of their intent to sever communion with Rome, warning them of this, and urging them to reconsider.

The Black Hermits were founded in 1999 by Fr Stephen De Kerdrel, a former Capuchin novice master, for "young men seeking a more primitive form of life". He runs a Hermits' Blog for the three.

The group has attracted controversy in the past: in 2015 the Diocese of Northampton requested they leave one of the diocese’s properties following complaints about one of their number’s behaviour.

Brother Damon Kelly has been arrested over a dozen times, including for sending hate mail to a prominent Episcopalian priest and invading two Scottish Prestyberian services.

Speaking to the Tablet, Fr. Stephen emphasised that he had taken this controversial course of action only because he felt there was no other way to draw attention to what he sees as the failings of the current Pope. Despite having had no interest in church politics, what he termed as “ambiguities and outright heresies” on the part of the Pope had driven him to speak out about the “False Church” he sees as now controlling a large part of the Catholic Church.

Unusually for such a strong critic of Pope Francis, Fr. Stephen sees many of the roots of the current unrest in the church in the proclamation of papal infallibility at Vatican I, and sees the Pope as similar in certain ways to Bl. Pius IX, the Pope who presided over that Church council. Catholic tradition has become “overgrown, luxurious, almost jungle-like”, in comparison to the “remarkably stable” Eastern Orthodox tradition, he noted, arguing that the temporal power of the Papacy, historically and contemporarily, has become a “millstone around the Church’s neck”. Despite his appreciation for aspects of Orthodoxy, however, the hermits have no current plans to convert to an Eastern church.

To the surprise of the three hermits, given their reluctance to seek vocations, the recent controversy has caused interest in joining their way of life to rocket. The three hermits, who currently live in three mobile homes, have visitors only rarely, internet access infrequently, and are dependent upon a wind turbine and two solar panels for electricity. Given their isolated way of life, very little practical changes are likely to occur as a result as the excommunication: Fr Stephen, who sees the excommunication as “null and void”, will continue to provide the group with the sacraments.

He does, however, have a serious personal issue as the result of the excommunication: it will be very difficult for him to find another priest to act as his confessor. In spite of this, Fr Stephen remains convinced the hermits have done the right thing in spite of the difficulties: “We are a scapegoat, in the biblical sense, for the sins of the current Catholic Church; the sins of the Church are heaped upon us”.

The hermits currently live on Westray, an Orkney isle with a population of around 600 people, and share their dwellings with five cats.

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To: Joachim K who wrote (7205)10/30/2021 6:58:58 AM
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Why is he bothering these nice people? He needs to get back to addressing climate change and vaccine mandates.

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7206)11/23/2021 11:44:49 PM
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Typical Canadian?

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From: Joachim K11/24/2021 12:37:45 AM
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Pope’s motu proprio gets mixed reactions in France

by Tom Heneghan

Pope Francis - Global Media Group/SIPA USA/PA Images

Pope Francis’s motu proprio met with mixed reactions in France, a stronghold of adherents to the Latin Mass it tightly regulates, with the bishops giving it a cautious welcome while strict traditionalists howled in protest.

The bishops' conference announced its loyalty to Rome and said all must follow its call for "an authentic Eucharistic renewal,” while also expressing its "attention and esteem" for the traditionalists’ "spiritual zeal ... and their determination to continue the mission together".

They referred to a balance many dioceses had found with Vatican-loyal traditionalists since Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio liberalising celebration of the Tridentine Mass.

Some bishops had few problems with most traditionalist priests but added some tried to present the Tridentine Mass as superior to the Novus Ordo rite.

Among the critics, the ultra-traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) complained the loudest.

“The clearly expressed purpose is to make (the Tridentine Mass) disappear,” it said. “This clarification is brutal for those who believed they could trust authorities still imbued with liberal values” — SSPX-speak for non-traditionalists.

The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP), one of the pro-Vatican Ecclesia Dei communities, said the motu proprio was “offending and very violent”.

“They talk about rejecting the Council, but the Fraternity of St. Peter has never rejected Vatican II,” FSSP France superior Fr. Benoît Paul-Joseph said. “There will be no more stability … this is a reining in of the last people loyal to the missal of St. Pius V, whom they’re accompanying therapeutically, like in palliative care.”

The refusal of FSSP priests to concelebrate with diocesan clergy in the ordinary rite prompted Dijon Archbishop Roland Minnerath to terminate their 23-year mission at a church there.

Latin Mass attendees reacted with frustration. "First we had a vaccine passport, now we have a liturgical passport," one sighed at a traditionalist Mass in Lille.

According to Christophe Geffroy, editor-in-chief of the traditionalist monthly La Nef, 85 percent of French priests celebrating in the extraordinary form are loyal to the Vatican.

Most have found a balance, sometimes shaky, between cooperating with the local bishop and defending the extraordinary form. It was this communion that the bishops conference seemed concerned to preserve.

“Little by little, some wanted to say the extraordinary form was better than the ordinary form,” said Arras Bishop Olivier Leborgne, a vice-president of the bishops' conference. “We noticed a certain sliding by some (traditionalists) but we can’t say this is the norm for all of France.”

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To: Joachim K who wrote (7207)11/24/2021 8:36:59 AM
From: Tom Clarke
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A Happy Real American Thanksgiving

Forget the crack-brained and ne'er-do-well Pilgrims and Puritans, who, because they could not get along with anyone, came to America, where they hoped to enjoy the freedom to persecute and kill anyone who disagreed with their miserable way of life. Forget, too, the race-traitor Squanto, who betrayed his people and culture to welcome aliens into his country. Forget the bogus national holiday reinvented to celebrate the Ein Reich, ein Vereinigung, ein Führer principles of Lincoln and the Roosevelts. You can hear all about their tedious self-serving myths on National Public Radio or in National Public Schools. A story worth telling, however, is how, once upon a time, some footloose Englishmen came to the New World seeking easy gold, free land, and the right to spit tobacco when and where they wanted. As good Anglicans, these adventurers, roughnecks, and proto-cavaliers were too busy minding their business to worry to much about minding yours. The few who survived the initial attempts to settle various spots in Virginia, beginning with Jamestown, were reminded of their own weakness and from time to time their leaders decided it was time to give thanks to the Almighty for letting them survive in this savage land. So, with one accord, the men brought what game they could shoot, along with their jugs of corn-squeezings and stashes of tobacco, whipped out their fiddles, and had themselves a great time.

On these festive occasions, one or another would lead the assembly in prayer, thanking their Creator that he had not seen fit to make them Puritans who despised all the good things He had given them. Being decent Englishmen, they also thanked Him for making them English and for permitting them to persist in their English language, English laws and customs, and English culture. Some renegade from Switzerland, who piped up and said something about America being a city on a hill, recommended they get a royal charter to make everyone celebrate a national holiday in November. The good old boys of Virginia, all with one accord, drove him out of the settlement. Some say, he settled with the Indians, who celebrated their own style of Thanksgiving by feasting off the meat they had carved off his carcass after having had several days of fun with dull knives.

Yes, this is my own exercise in myth-making, but there is more truth than in the National Public ideology of both parties.

Being Anglicans--with a sprinkling, perhaps, of good old god-fearing Lutherans and (here I'm trying to be generous) recovering Presbyterians, they kept their prayers short and to the point, and knowing that better men than themselves had given expression to their sentiments, they said together this prayer:

ALMIGHTY God, Father of all mercies, we thine unworthy servants do give thee most humble and hearty thanks for all thy goodness and loving-kindness to us and to all men. We bless thee for our creation, preservation, and all the blessings of this life; but above all for thine inestimable love in the redemption of the world by our Lord Jesus Christ, for the means of grace, and for the hope of glory. And we beseech thee, give us that due sense of all thy mercies, that our hearts may be unfeignedly thankful, and that we shew forth thy praise, not only with our lips, but in our lives; by giving up ourselves to thy service, and by walking before thee in holiness and righteousness all our days; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom with thee and the Holy Ghost be all honour and glory, world without end.

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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (7209)11/25/2021 10:33:52 PM
From: Joachim K
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' France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes.'

Mark Twain


'I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.'

General George S. Patton


'Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.'

Norman Schwartzkopf


'We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.'

Marge Simpson


'As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.'

Jacques Chirac, President of France


'The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee.'

Regis Philbin


'You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it.'

John McCain , U.S. Senator from Arizona


'The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.'

David Letterman


'War without France would be like .. World War II.'



'The favorite bumper sticker in Washington D.C. right now is one that says 'First Iraq , then France .'

Tom Brokaw


'What do you expect from a culture and a nation that exerted more of its national will fighting against Disney World and Big Macs than the Nazis?'

Dennis Miller


'It is important to remember that the French have always been there when they needed us.'

Alan Kent


'They've taken their own precautions against al-Qa'ida. To prepare for an attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a three-day supply of mistresses in the house.'

Argus Hamilton


'Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day --the description was, 'Never shot. Dropped once.'

Rep. Roy Blunt, MO


'The French will only agree to go to war when we've proven we've found truffles in Iraq '

Dennis Miller


Q. What did the mayor of Paris say to the German Army as they entered the city in WWII?

A. Table for 100,000 m'sieur?


'Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris ? It's not known, it's never been tried.'

Rep. R. Blount, MO


'Do you know it only took Germany three days to conquer France in WWII? And that's because it was raining.'

John Xereas, Manager, DC Improv


French Ban Fireworks at Euro Disney

(AP), Paris , March 5, 2003

The French Government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use of fireworks at Euro Disney. The decision comes the day after a nightly fireworks display at the park, located just 30 miles outside of Paris , caused the soldiers at a nearby French Army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists.

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