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To: goldsnow who wrote (1941)9/15/2002 6:19:56 PM
From: blind alley racer
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That sounds about right. len

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1938)9/15/2002 9:06:08 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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Thanks for the Plain English translation. <gg>

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1938)9/16/2002 4:27:23 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: What Fox is saying to Bush is "if you wish to antagonize others and go off half-cocked starting wars and making enemies who may retaliate against you, don't expect Mexicans to come to your aid."

Well, I guess Prez Fox's main concern is the flow of Mexican immigrants across the Rio Grande... With US immigration officials paranoid about aliens travelling to the US, the Mexican gov is anxious about any backlash on its migrant workforce. Catholic Mexicans have got nothing to do with Islamic fanaticism. So, the bottom line is that Mexico will not tighten its surveillance of its border with the US. Besides, do you really think that the US ever expected anything from Mexican intelligence re: 911? After all, Mexico is not part of the UKUSA intelligence alliance....

Gus

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1935)9/16/2002 4:38:17 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Evidently, Isra'El must sense that what we Americans did to the native population here is not working as a credible defense for their colonialism.

Evidently, the US's history of wanton conquest of a whole continent is not a universal model and can't --and probably won't-- be replicated ad infinitum by other out-migrant peoples.... After all, that's why Hong Kong belongs to China today! If the British had the power and were spurred by the same kind of "Zionist fanaticism", Hong Kong would be a second Israel --ruled by a British General-turned-Governor, with 200 nukes aimed at Beijing. A Judeofascist outpost amidst "barbaric" Confucianism... or better still: the-only-democracy-in-the-Far-East. Fortunately, China's too big a fish to mess with.

Gus

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1944)9/16/2002 11:16:33 AM
From: Thomas M.
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Besides, do you really think that the US ever expected anything from Mexican intelligence re: 911? After all, Mexico is not part of the UKUSA intelligence alliance....

Not intelligence info, but cooperation perhaps?

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Tom

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1944)9/16/2002 1:06:44 PM
From: blind alley racer
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Same for Canada...as for infiltrating the US via our borders.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1945)9/16/2002 1:13:23 PM
From: blind alley racer
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For perspective, I was reading the Treaty of Guadalupe and change the names and places and it reads like current events you know where.

Does anything change besides names, places and dates?

azteca.net

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To: ChinuSFO who started this subject9/16/2002 1:23:29 PM
From: blind alley racer
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The Men From JINSA and CSP

by JASON VEST

thenation.com

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1949)9/16/2002 11:22:58 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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len,

Looks like Chinmoy blew this popstand.

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Pat Buchanan opposes War Party schemes:

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1948)9/17/2002 5:50:04 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Our own agenda

Is the Arab world Europe's nemesis, asks Dyab Abou Jahjah* -- or its last hope?

ahram.org.eg

Excerpt:

But 11 September also meant a new era for many Arabs and Muslims living abroad. It meant that the anti-Islamic sentiment which is inherent in European culture, but that had been marginalised by the politically-correct mainstream, could now manifest itself again. As a result, it is today no longer unacceptable to explicitly attack Muslims, to describe them as a "threat", and their religion as an evil mediaeval dogma. The discourse that once characterised far-right extremist movements has begun to take over not only the streets, but also the pages of newspapers and the corridors of parliament. Europe did not need 11 September to be Islamophobic; but it needed it to turn Islamophobia into a political agenda. The fact that the famous Hamburg cell staffed by Mohamed Atta and his friends operated out of Germany was all the justification the European nations needed to pour more resources into policing their Arab communities.

So now we are an infiltrated community. Our mosques are watched, our club houses monitored and our phones bugged. In Germany, Arabs are even classified into four categories -- A, B, C, and D -- ranging from activist, to somebody who just prays on Friday in the mosque. For the A category (the activists), millions of euros are invested in almost permanent monitoring. But that's normal for Germans -- categorising people. In other countries, the situation is no better.

In Belgium, Arabs are pushed into apologising for their presence on every possible level. Saying that you are a Muslim is almost a crime, unless you immediately add your condemnation of what happened in New York, condemn fundamentalism and also condemn a million other things, ranging from terrorism to female circumcision. If you do not attach this ten-page-long apologia to the statement of your faith, you will very likely be linked to Bin Laden or accused of belonging to a dormant cell of Al-Qa'eda. The hunt for terrorist groups has sometimes reminded us of McCarthyism and the witch hunt for communists: the same blind hysteria, the same confused criteria, and the same religious zeal. Europe may still be a democracy for most of its people, but for Muslims it has become a police state -- a permissive police state, but a police state nonetheless. [*]

When we look back at the events of last year on the European level and wonder what has changed for Arab Europeans, we realise that, far beyond the growing racism, and far beyond the growing harassment and the criminalisation of Islam, far beyond the tough policing measures against them, Arab Europeans have become more Arab and less European -- not because they decided on this, but because Europe has forced them into a corner. The attitude of Europe towards their identity and its most important components -- Islam and Arabism -- has not driven them away from that identity, but has rather made them reaffirm it, first to themselves and then to their European neighours.

A new generation of Arab-Muslims is no longer prepared to put up with living as second-rank citizens. Somehow, they have regained their sense of pride. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations have erupted everywhere in Europe; Brussels and Amsterdam have seen tens of thousands of mainly Arab youths marching through their streets in support of Palestinian resistance. No one cared any longer that they would be labelled "activists". Nobody cared about the pictures taken by state security agents at demonstrations. Pro-Palestinian action has become the channel through which young Arabs have discovered political action, and redefined their priorities. Through these actions, they have started telling their European compatriots: We too have our war on terrorism -- Israeli terrorism. We too are citizens here. We have our own agenda and we will prove it.

Why did they do that? Why did they not feel obliged to be docile and defensive, as their parents and the majority of first- generation immigrants did? Is it because they were maybe secretly proud of what happened on 11 September 2001? Is it because they were maybe secretly proud that the only people to deal such a blow to the United States on its own territory in the whole of its history were Arabs, like them? Or is it just because they realised that they have to make a stand, if they did not want to be overrun by a stampede of modern-day knights of the far right -- men like Pim Fortuyn in Holland and France's Jean-Marie Le Pen, who seek to make domestic capital out of Mr Bush's international crusade?

One thing is sure: there is a new sense of pride out there among Arab Europeans, and a strong new awareness of their identity as Arabs and as Muslims. Their heroes now are second-generation Arabs, people born and raised in Europe. According to the word on the streets, this is a trend that is here to stay.

In her book on 11 September, the Italian writer Oriana Fallacci wrote that Arabs are reproducing like rats in order to invade Europe and the West, and that their religion, Islam, should be forbidden. In Belgian newspapers, some respected writers defended her comments as acceptable, as forming part of an "honest" Western approach to Islam.

If this is the voice of Western civilisation, then that civilisation has now reached a level of decadence unparalleled in its history. If so, maybe Arab-Europeans will not only save themselves by rediscovering their identity and defending it with success on European soil. Maybe they will also save Europe from sinking deeper into this quagmire of obscurantism and hatred, just as many hundreds of years ago their ancestors helped a new Europe to emerge from the long dark night of its mediaeval soul.

* The writer is president of the Arab European League, Belgium.
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[*] The Belgian not-so-secret service --the Sûreté de l'Etat-- even set up a bogus Islamic outfit, the Centre des Jeunes Musulmans, to lure would-be "terrorists" among the country's Muslim immigrants.... (it used to be fashionable for Belgian police/gendarmerie officers to attend seminars with the FBI --and learn its cointelpro gimmickry)

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