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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1900)9/13/2002 4:55:47 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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Hi Gus,

Re: That's why the US --reluctantly-- had to enter the game.

This interview with Brzezinski indicates that there was absolutely no reluctance on the part of the U.S. government to engage in surrpetitious interventionist policies in Central Asia:

fair.org

[[Specifically, take a look at the interview transcript. ]]

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1913)9/13/2002 5:05:50 PM
From: blind alley racer
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Yes, that is why the push is to deny those countries nukes OR to make any attempt by the nuclear powers to dismantle theirs.

Interesting take on Germany and how restrictions after WW II keep them from possessing any nukes. They and Japan surely have the capabilities to build one or to have one built.

len

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1910)9/13/2002 5:06:16 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Will he roll that back as he has with steel?

If it's necessary to win over France to sign a UN Security Council draft to bomb Iraq, why not? <g>

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1916)9/13/2002 5:08:36 PM
From: blind alley racer
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In other words, everything is negotiable?

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (1912)9/13/2002 5:12:05 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: well... i never used the word floozie... you did

Huh?!? Yeah, I used the "word" and you used the "floozie".

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1914)9/13/2002 5:18:01 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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C'mon, that guy Brzezinski's been out of the loop for the past 22 years!!! I mean, it's like asking Jimmy Carter about 911... But I'll read the article.

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To: Yaacov who wrote (1909)9/13/2002 5:51:48 PM
From: average joe
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They did not produce that poll on Morocco public opinion Gus was fretting about here?

#reply-17879568

The sleeping giant (islamic terrorists) will go back to sleep when they are no longer being funded by the Sheikhs.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1919)9/13/2002 6:15:27 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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Gus,

Re: C'mon, that guy Brzezinski's been out of the loop for the past 22 years!!!

I believe you are demonstrating naivete about this. Brzezinski has been very much involved, albeit not in public office, for the entire period. He has a very important role to play at the Council on Foreign Relations and is recently installed on the board of directors of a newly formed Central Asia pipeline company.

Cf.:
cooperativeresearch.org

Article Citation:

Date: 9-2-2002
Outline: U.S. ruling elites divided over Iraq, Israel calls for immediate war
RE: Scowcroft, Baker, and Brzezinski have all expressed some degree of opposition to the Pentagon's war plans - one interpretation of why this is so.

TEXT:

G Observations.
1 Division among the ‘elites,’ as they are often called, is rooted in their diverging interests.
a Summary.

i CCR interprets the current infighting over how to proceed in Iraq as a reflection of the diverging interests of the current U.S. leadership. While it is impossible to know for sure why the Baker et al crowd is opposed to the Pentagon’s war plans, there exists some significant clues that might indicate what is behind their sudden change of heart.

On August 1, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline Company (BTC Co.) was founded to construct and operate the long awaited pipeline that will bring oil from the Caspian oil fields of Azerbaijan to the Mediterranean Sea. The BTC pipeline route, the viability of which as been repeatedly challenged by both ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco, was strongly endorsed and lobbied for by the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC) [profile]. Several of the most prominent “anti-war” voices happen to be on its board of directors, including James Baker III, Zbigniew Brzezinski,

<Continues.........>

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1921)9/13/2002 7:56:59 PM
From: lorne
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Board candidate's ideas kindle Hispanics' outcry
Sep. 11, 2002
"Senior citizens often work part-time just to pay bills -- yet the illegal alien is provided a free education, welfare, food stamps, medical care," Morris wrote. "We cannot afford to continue to be held hostage to this kind of loose and unpatriotic expenditure of the American dollar."
Full story >>>
kansascity.com

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1919)9/13/2002 8:48:29 PM
From: lorne
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Looks like Israel was correct in the way they dealt with the arab/pals....you agree? :o)
Arafat's political defeat called end of one-man rule
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Friday, September 13, 2002
RAMALLAH — The joint resignation of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's cabinet spared the humiliation of a vote of no-confidence and constituted a significant political defeat, analysts said.

Palestinian sources said the vote against Arafat was a signal by at least 57 out of 88 legislators for the PA chairman to agree to the appointment of a prime minister and end his one-man rule. They said the Fatah Central Council had approached Arafat's key aide, Mahmoud Abbas, in late August to submit his candidacy.

Arafat was forced to disband his 21-member Cabinet on Wednesday when Palestinian legislators refused to approve a motion of confidence. Arafat now has two weeks to present a new Cabinet to the Palestinian Legislative Council.

"For years, we have thought that the chairman requires strategic ministers and should not deal with daily tasks," Palestinian legislator Khaddoura Fares said. "We are talking of the need of new leadership, rather than just one man."

Israeli and Palestinian analysts said Arafat's authority was undermined by members of his ruling Fatah movement. They said the legislators resisted appeals, cajoling and threats to shelve a motion of no confidence in the Cabinet.

At the last minute, Arafat's Cabinet resigned and thus spared the vote. Many of the legislators applauded the announcement that the Cabinet had resigned.

Israeli analysts and officials termed the vote against Arafat as an historic development and said Israel's intelligence community had predicted the confrontation at the legislature. They said Arafat will probably face a galvanized and growing opposition within the Fatah movement that wants to reduce his authority.

"This is one of the biggest blows that Arafat has sustained until now and it was done by his people," Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said.

Israeli military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Aharon Zeevi-Farkash agreed. The general said he could not predict short-term development, asserting that much depends on the reaction of Israel and the United States.

"It is a slow, deep and staged process," Zeevi-Farkash said. "It depends a lot on us, a lot on the United States and the U.S. attack on Iraq."

Arafat announced that presidential and parliamentary elections would take place on Jan. 20. But Palestinian sources said opposition legislators reject this announcement and want a prime minister to whittle away Arafat's authority before elections are held.

PA officials blamed Israel and the United States for Arafat's defeat. They said both countries want to undermine Arafat to ensure he cannot win another election under his current authority.

"The only obstacle to the elections is not an internal one, it is Israel and the United States, who do not want elections because they don't want a strengthening of the Palestinian national leadership," PA Information Minister Yasser Abbed Rabbo said.

At the same time, Israel has tried to bolster some ministers within the PA. Ben-Eliezer halted military prosecution of the son of PA Civil Affairs Minister Jamil Tarifi, who was charged with arms smuggling from Jordan to the West Bank. Tarifi himself was said to have been involved in the smuggling and his son was released from an Israeli prison.
worldtribune.com

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