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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1908)9/13/2002 4:50:30 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Who are the parties in the region pushing others to arm themselves with nukes?

Well, your wording is a little bit captious... I'd prefer the following, simpler turn:

Who are the industrialized countries eager to arm Iran and Iraq with nukes?

The answer to that question is much easier: Russia, France and Germany. The latter doesn't have its own nuclear arsenal but Germany (like Japan) has the brains to build nukes, rockets, chemical weapons, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong about that issue: I don't intimate that world peace would be jeopardized if Iraq or Iran laid their hands on nuclear weapons. I don't buy the neocolonial propaganda that casts Arabs as irresponsible barbarians and Europeans/Americans as peaceful, responsible philanthropists...

Nuclear weapons/capabilities in the hands of Iraq or Iran would dramatically alter the balance of power with Israel. Of course, the Arab world doesn't have any interest in annihilating Israel with nukes --that's the cheap horror story that the Judeofascists have sold us for the past 40 years. No, again, the "Arab bomb" will force Israel to leave the Palestinians alone and... GIVE UP EAST JERUSALEM.
It's that simple.

Gus

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1900)9/13/2002 4:55:47 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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Hi Gus,

Re: That's why the US --reluctantly-- had to enter the game.

This interview with Brzezinski indicates that there was absolutely no reluctance on the part of the U.S. government to engage in surrpetitious interventionist policies in Central Asia:

fair.org

[[Specifically, take a look at the interview transcript. ]]

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1913)9/13/2002 5:05:50 PM
From: blind alley racer
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Yes, that is why the push is to deny those countries nukes OR to make any attempt by the nuclear powers to dismantle theirs.

Interesting take on Germany and how restrictions after WW II keep them from possessing any nukes. They and Japan surely have the capabilities to build one or to have one built.

len

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1910)9/13/2002 5:06:16 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Will he roll that back as he has with steel?

If it's necessary to win over France to sign a UN Security Council draft to bomb Iraq, why not? <g>

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1916)9/13/2002 5:08:36 PM
From: blind alley racer
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In other words, everything is negotiable?

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (1912)9/13/2002 5:12:05 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: well... i never used the word floozie... you did

Huh?!? Yeah, I used the "word" and you used the "floozie".

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1914)9/13/2002 5:18:01 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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C'mon, that guy Brzezinski's been out of the loop for the past 22 years!!! I mean, it's like asking Jimmy Carter about 911... But I'll read the article.

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To: Yaacov who wrote (1909)9/13/2002 5:51:48 PM
From: average joe
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They did not produce that poll on Morocco public opinion Gus was fretting about here?

#reply-17879568

The sleeping giant (islamic terrorists) will go back to sleep when they are no longer being funded by the Sheikhs.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1919)9/13/2002 6:15:27 PM
From: Raymond Duray
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Gus,

Re: C'mon, that guy Brzezinski's been out of the loop for the past 22 years!!!

I believe you are demonstrating naivete about this. Brzezinski has been very much involved, albeit not in public office, for the entire period. He has a very important role to play at the Council on Foreign Relations and is recently installed on the board of directors of a newly formed Central Asia pipeline company.

Cf.:
cooperativeresearch.org

Article Citation:

Date: 9-2-2002
Outline: U.S. ruling elites divided over Iraq, Israel calls for immediate war
RE: Scowcroft, Baker, and Brzezinski have all expressed some degree of opposition to the Pentagon's war plans - one interpretation of why this is so.

TEXT:

G Observations.
1 Division among the ‘elites,’ as they are often called, is rooted in their diverging interests.
a Summary.

i CCR interprets the current infighting over how to proceed in Iraq as a reflection of the diverging interests of the current U.S. leadership. While it is impossible to know for sure why the Baker et al crowd is opposed to the Pentagon’s war plans, there exists some significant clues that might indicate what is behind their sudden change of heart.

On August 1, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline Company (BTC Co.) was founded to construct and operate the long awaited pipeline that will bring oil from the Caspian oil fields of Azerbaijan to the Mediterranean Sea. The BTC pipeline route, the viability of which as been repeatedly challenged by both ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco, was strongly endorsed and lobbied for by the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC) [profile]. Several of the most prominent “anti-war” voices happen to be on its board of directors, including James Baker III, Zbigniew Brzezinski,

<Continues.........>

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1921)9/13/2002 7:56:59 PM
From: lorne
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Board candidate's ideas kindle Hispanics' outcry
Sep. 11, 2002
"Senior citizens often work part-time just to pay bills -- yet the illegal alien is provided a free education, welfare, food stamps, medical care," Morris wrote. "We cannot afford to continue to be held hostage to this kind of loose and unpatriotic expenditure of the American dollar."
Full story >>>
kansascity.com

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