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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1763)9/1/2002 5:15:56 PM
From: goldsnow
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"The transfer of communities to foreign rule in Eretz Yisrael stands contrary to the Torah commandment of settling the Land, even if the foreign rule is just and fair," Shilo wrote.>>>

Right. So if Palestinian State would face a monumental decision to create Very Hostile State they would want assurances....What credible assurances PA is ready to provide?-None, just a rhetoric

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1741)9/1/2002 5:17:31 PM
From: pie-faced-mutt
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If anyone has a grudge to hold it would be the Iranians for what the American government has done to them over the years.

The way our President here is proceeding, he is going to force the Iranians and Iraqis into each other's camp.

With the American government's track record, who would want to be our ally?

Panama
Afghanistan
Iraq
Costa Rica
Cuba

All two-timed by vested American interests.

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1765)9/1/2002 7:02:31 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Israel would have to "cease all military activities." or face war

Exactly.

religious parties in Israel (limited support from largely Secular Population)

Limited support being roughly one third of the Knesset. And the threat of assassination if you dare give away a piece of Eretz Israel..

Tom

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To: pie-faced-mutt who wrote (1766)9/1/2002 8:32:40 PM
From: Brumar89
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Actually the Egyptian limo driver was a terrorist. The JDL guy and that other Jewish guy in Florida are fortunately terrorist wannabes. Which is a bad thing.

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To: pie-faced-mutt who wrote (1764)9/1/2002 11:29:01 PM
From: lorne
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len. In an article I posted was this statement...." "They found that 48 percent of respondents agreed the government should have the freedom to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security — even if that means infringing upon the religious freedom of the group's members. Forty-two percent said the government should have more authority to monitor Muslims.".....

I did not write this article why don't you question the motives of whom ever wrote this article instead of getting all pi**ed of and asking stupid questions like this one......" By the way, why hide behind a false SI name? Are you paranoid?".....

First of all it is not a false name it is my real name.

Am I paranoid. No I am not and what do these stupid question have to do with the article I posted.

The point I was making is that if censorship of free speech should ever happen then it could affect what you and people like you who appear to be supporters of our enemies can say on a public forum.

What I and others like me who do not show favor for or appear to support the enemy are not the cause of any restriction that may happen in the future to free speech.

If you feel that the article I posted is directed at you then I can see why you are so upset.

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1759)9/1/2002 11:37:44 PM
From: lorne
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You said...." And there was never an Israeli state."....

Sure there was. Don't you remember when I proved this to you a few months back?

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To: lorne who wrote (1771)9/2/2002 3:14:23 AM
From: Andy Thomas
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i see you listed me as supporting an enemy... is that really what you think i've been doing?

if so, would that be foreign or domestic enemies?

it is simply to me that so much of what is going on seems so strange... like the official story really doesn't wash any more... so is my questioning any of that... does that make me an enemy of the united states? if that is the case then perhaps the 'terrorists' have won already...

again, if you take away freedom of speech, the terrorists have already won... for then what is it that we are protecting?

if you want to nuke or gas or steamroll somebody... go for it! i for one am getting sick of all of the posturing... you want to steamroll iraq and saudi arabia... let's go then!

if we win easily, then perhaps the economy surges with the advent of cheap oil... perhaps on the other hand it is world war iii... either one is fine with me.... i know it's not 'all good' but i know it's 'all god...'

and in any event the white house - and all other positions of high office within any of the myriad 'priesthoods'... they're all charades... and if that makes me un-american then i'll live and die with that.....

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To: epsteinbd who wrote (1746)9/2/2002 3:39:57 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Now if you could link us to pictures that show the Israelis "non fortified silos" as compared to Iranian "fortifies silos"... I could start to give it some reality.

Haha! That's a PREMIUM service!! You still have my Swiss bank account, haven't you? Wire $1,000/pic --Enlarged pics of Israeli facilities are also available (which allow you to measure the personel's stress by counting the butts on the ground)... There's an Iranian fellow who's ready to buy them all --with an exclusivity bonus! So, don't delay!!!

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (1773)9/2/2002 3:49:16 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: it is simply to me that so much of what is going on seems so strange... like the official story really doesn't wash any more... so is my questioning any of that... does that make me an enemy of the united states? if that is the case then perhaps the 'terrorists' have won already...

again, if you take away freedom of speech, the terrorists have already won... for then what is it that we are protecting?


You end up protecting freedom of speech for Judeofascists ONLY.

Gus

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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (1773)9/2/2002 10:30:35 AM
From: lorne
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Andy. You said...." i see you listed me as supporting an enemy... is that really what you think i've been doing?"...

Andy. After having read through your most recent posts I would have to say I was mistaken. Although you appear at times to come out in support of those who wish to do us harm ( us is the civilized folks in the west ) you also appear to question everything and play no favorites. I apologize.

You are very confusing, maybe you should have gone into politics. :o)

When you say things like this....." man i loved it when they sold stingers to iran!
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It can lead a person to believe that you support a government who is our enemy.

Or this post...." if we removed the catholic church from latin america, everything would improve...
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Or this...." if you were saddam, you would do all of the same things... including cutting backroom deals with the clums... there is no other way...
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You said...." again, if you take away freedom of speech, the terrorists have already won... for then what is it that we are protecting?"....

I agree with you on that but if we do not fight back against those who want to remove our freedoms we will lose them anyways.

You said...." if you want to nuke or gas or steamroll somebody... go for it! i for one am getting sick of all of the posturing... you want to steamroll iraq and saudi arabia... let's go then!

if we win easily, then perhaps the economy surges with the advent of cheap oil... perhaps on the other hand it is world war iii... either one is fine with me.... i know it's not 'all good' but i know it's 'all god...'

I don't think we over here should wipe out the countries you mentioned but I do believe that certain elements of their society must be removed. I believe that radical islam is a real threat to our way of life and must somehow be stopped. What do you think would be the reaction of Americans if there should be just one more muslim/islam incident like Sept.11. what will happen to innocent muslims in America and other countries?

I also don't think this is about cheap oil, there is lots of oil available elsewhere. Islam has forced themselves on us and Sept.11 is proof of this force. islam is not one country so how do we fight back. Radical islam is in our countries now so how do we fight back, do we destroy our own peoples just so we can get to them? Not likely.

You said...." and in any event the white house - and all other positions of high office within any of the myriad 'priesthoods'... they're all charades... and if that makes me un-american then i'll live and die with that.....

Our way of life is not by any means perfect but I believe it is a whole lot better than the way of life of our enemies. Would you trust a muslim cleric before Prez. Bush
would they be more honest? Should we trust the islamic leaders of islam controlled countries to not try to force their muslim way of life on their neighbours, on Europe, on Indonesia, etc. On us. islam has spread by force for the last 1500 years and continues to this day, why should we believe that it will stop.

What we have may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than the way of life of those who attacked us.

Look at Europe to day they are scared to death do anything at all to offend the millions and millions muslims who now live there.

We can all just forget about Sept.11 and hope the religious problem will go away but it will not go away unless we somehow make it go away.

I believe that when islam attacked the WTC on Sept.11 they were attacking our way of life, our freedoms, our wealth they attacked our people not our military power.

Nice music web site you have. will have to look it over didn't see any oldies there....50s & 60s rock.

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