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To: goldsnow who wrote (1757)9/1/2002 2:44:21 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Now your (Arab) opinion that if Israel goes back to 1967 borders, that would guarantee Israel's security can not be taken seriously.

Right. How could anyone take that seriously? The last time Israel had the 1967 borders was ... Surprise ... 1967! What happened in 1967? Israel launched an assault on its Arab neighbors and crushed their armies. Clearly, for Israel to accept these borders would be tantamount to suicide. The only worse fate I could think of for Jews would be to move back to the oppression they face in Palm Beach, Florida.

Tom

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1760)9/1/2002 2:49:36 PM
From: goldsnow
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Well you may take this seriously but Hamas does not

mfa.gov.il

In addition, Dahlan admitted that, "There was a mistake regarding Hamas. Hamas was discriminated against. We do not apologize for this. We acted as we were supposed to act. We made more mistakes against Hamas, but I emphasize that this was not a hostile position. The presence of Hamas in Palestinian territory is is very important for the building of the Palestinian homeland. The homeland does not belong to Fatah alone. Hamas also had many victims on the road to establishing the homeland.

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1760)9/1/2002 2:58:26 PM
From: goldsnow
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Article Thirteen PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS (PEACE) INITIATIVES AND INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES

(Peace) Initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of this faith, the movement educates it members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware."

From time to time a clamouring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that conditions, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the (prospective) parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conference are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed.

Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did Unbelievers do justice to Believers?

"And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor with Christians, till thou follow their creed. 'Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (himself) is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper."
Sura 2 (the Cow) verse 120.
There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiative, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game...

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1762)9/1/2002 3:24:03 PM
From: Thomas M.
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In an article headlined "A Clarification of Positions," which appeared in the Kedumim local newsletter, Shilo wrote, "The transfer of parts of Eretz Yisrael to foreigners, when these parts can be protected and such a move prevented, is a grave crime against the Jewish people. Even the most evil Jewish leaders throughout the Land's history never willingly did such a thing. It is treason, not only to historic Torah tradition, but to the entire national legacy.

"The transfer of communities to foreign rule in Eretz Yisrael stands contrary to the Torah commandment of settling the Land, even if the foreign rule is just and fair," Shilo wrote.

christianactionforisrael.org

In a startling move, the militant Islamic movement Hamas has accepted the terms of the Saudi peace proposal and is willing to stop attacks on Israel if it returns to pre-1967 borders, a Hamas spokesman told The Chronicle.

The spokesman, Ismail Abu Shanab, said that if Israel agrees to the Saudi plan, which calls for the Jewish state to return to its pre-1967 borders in return for "normal relations" with Arab nations, Hamas will "cease all military activities."

"That would be satisfactory for all Palestinian military groups to stop and build our state, to be busy in our own affairs, and have good neighborhood with Israelis," he said.

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To: lorne who wrote (1737)9/1/2002 4:50:17 PM
From: blind alley racer
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"They found that 48 percent of respondents agreed the government should have the freedom to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security — even if that means infringing upon the religious freedom of the group's members. Forty-two percent said the government should have more authority to monitor Muslims."

Until they start monitoring you.

By the way, why hide behind a false SI name? Are you paranoid?

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1763)9/1/2002 5:00:37 PM
From: goldsnow
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If....>>>

Is not going to do.
They would have to "cease all military activities." or face war, way before any meaningful dialogue would have a chance to take place...That much we know (you may like it or not)
No Democratically elected Western Gvn would negotiate under the gun, Faulklands or West Bank

PS I think if religious parties in Israel (limited support from largely Secular Population) would engage in Terrorism to achieve their goal (Get rid of Arabs in holy places)
They would have to face War just as well

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1740)9/1/2002 5:01:50 PM
From: blind alley racer
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And the Arab is still the terrorist.

len

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1763)9/1/2002 5:15:56 PM
From: goldsnow
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"The transfer of communities to foreign rule in Eretz Yisrael stands contrary to the Torah commandment of settling the Land, even if the foreign rule is just and fair," Shilo wrote.>>>

Right. So if Palestinian State would face a monumental decision to create Very Hostile State they would want assurances....What credible assurances PA is ready to provide?-None, just a rhetoric

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1741)9/1/2002 5:17:31 PM
From: blind alley racer
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If anyone has a grudge to hold it would be the Iranians for what the American government has done to them over the years.

The way our President here is proceeding, he is going to force the Iranians and Iraqis into each other's camp.

With the American government's track record, who would want to be our ally?

Panama
Afghanistan
Iraq
Costa Rica
Cuba

All two-timed by vested American interests.

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1765)9/1/2002 7:02:31 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Israel would have to "cease all military activities." or face war

Exactly.

religious parties in Israel (limited support from largely Secular Population)

Limited support being roughly one third of the Knesset. And the threat of assassination if you dare give away a piece of Eretz Israel..

Tom

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