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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1741)	9/1/2002 11:07:55 AM
From: epsteinbd	of 3959

May Allahiah read your message and in his infinite wisdom inbliment the beace brocess, (but with Bush, that is!) But why the f..k did He wait so long ? BTW you never thanked the USA for saving your parents ass during WWII. Why??? Now if you could link us to pictures that show the Israelis "non fortified silos" as compared to Iranian "fortifies silos"... I could start to give it some reality.

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1745)	9/1/2002 12:11:28 PM
From: Thomas M.	of 3959

So, a quick scan of that website brings up this article claiming that UN 194 does not give the right of return to the Palestinians who were driven out by the Israeli military in 1948: palestinefacts.org ... add a pinch of Holocaust denial for flavor: palestinefacts.org Tom

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1747)	9/1/2002 12:36:55 PM
From: goldsnow	of 3959

Palestinians? You mean Jordanians of course, right? PS I suppose if Jordan would assume responsibility for their former citizens...Israel surely would not, so UN Resolution is a Mute Point, would'nt you agree....I know that you are aware: (not in dispute) Jordan lost 1948 war, not won..And subsequently Jordan has relinquished all rights to Jerusalem and West Bank...so entire thing is subject to negotiation,,,or another War PSS Why Israel did not have right to recapture Jewish Quater of Jerusalem, and Jordanians did have right to destroy Jewish Places (one more time, please) ?-Cause it was undertandable?

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1748)	9/1/2002 12:47:00 PM
From: Thomas M.	of 3959

Palestinians? You mean Jordanians of course, right? Holocaust? What Holocaust? And subsequently Jordan has relinquished all rights to Jerusalem and West Bank... You didn't complete this sentence. Jordan relinquished the rights of Palestine to the Palestinians. Tom

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1749)	9/1/2002 12:49:58 PM
From: goldsnow	of 3959

You didn't complete this sentence. Jordan relinquished the rights of Palestine to the Palestinians.>> With one small detail...They forgot to secure Israel's national interests..Sort of like Kurds State but never mind Turkey Or Albanian State in Macedonia

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1749)	9/1/2002 12:53:02 PM
From: goldsnow	of 3959

Germans have the right to claim lost territories (Chech Republic, Poland)..Just because they were driven-out in 1944? personal.psu.edu At the close of World War II, Poland lost territory in the East to the Soviet Union, while gaining territory at its western edge at the expense of defeated Germany--thus acquiring a larger German minority. Unfortunately, it was soon after this that the Polish government decided to aim for ethnic homogeneity, beginning an unofficial campaign to oust or assimilate all minorities. From 1945 to 1949, about 3.2 million Germans left Poland (Sword 240). By about 1950, there were still Germans in Poland, but they had become an "invisible minority"--the government simply refused to acknowledge their existence. Indeed, some were actually still in labor camps. The German population suffered severe restrictions on their rights, and until 1950, did not even have official identity documents. In 1950, Poland signed the Zgorzelec or Görlitz Agreement with

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1749)	9/1/2002 12:59:40 PM
From: goldsnow	of 3959

Aside from Pomerianians and ethnic cleansing of Baltic Germans and Prussians in Poland, there was also Ethinc cleansing in then Czechoslovakia (Now Czech Republic) and other areas of Eastern Europe. ( I imagine the german popualtion of East Prussia that became part of what is now Russian Federation territory also experienced Ethnic Cleansing. However as the German populations of Eastern Europe were open and active sympathizers with the NAZI regime it is not suprising there was not alot of sympathy for their plight at the time ku.edu

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1749)	9/1/2002 1:09:06 PM
From: goldsnow	of 3959

If Palestinians would recognise Israel's national interests (like Jordanians have) I suppose that would be the end of the conflict...If Palestinians are going to insist on All or Nothing deal..or dictate the terms of the deal than War is reasonable solution at some point and not really avoidable...Not sure why borders would need to be exactly the same as before 1967....Surely if Arabs were to win, they would not voluntarily return to 1967 borders, would they?

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1753)	9/1/2002 1:43:55 PM
From: Thomas M.	of 3959

Not sure why borders would need to be exactly the same as before 1967... Because Israel started that war, and countries should not be allowed to gain territory by military force. Tom

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1751)	9/1/2002 1:52:55 PM
From: Thomas M.	of 3959

Good analogy. Israel's attempt to grab the West Bank is very much like Hitler's attempt to grab Czechoslovakia in 1938. Tom

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