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To: lorne who wrote (1709)8/29/2002 3:20:41 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Now, could you explain to all why you LOL

'Cause... who cares about verlan?? LOL!

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1714)8/29/2002 5:15:44 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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The EU, a monstrous replicate of Israel:

European Arabs, Europeans tense, concerned about future together after arrests

The Associated Press
Aug. 29, 2005


It was no problem for Mohammed Bakri, a European Arab, to read the headline in the Doubletalk-language newspaper. His problem was the one-word headline: "Killers," referring to his relatives, suspected of helping a Bosnian suicide bomber blow up a European bus.

All the elements of conflict, internal and external, were there in the simple scene, as a cool breeze blew across Bakri's open courtyard in Lille, a quiet, hillside town in France's north: A European Arab minority, fluent in Doubletalk, the language of the Europeans, torn between Arab identity and EU citizenship -- and the European majority, increasingly fearful of the Union's Arabs, as evidence mounts of the involvement of some of them in deadly violence.

Following the arrest of the seven members of the Bakri clan, a few days after four Brussels Arabs were arrested on suspicion of carrying out bombing attacks that killed 35 bystanders, Europe's natives are fearful and suspicious, and Europe's Arabs are on the defensive.

Most of the Bakri relatives don't believe the suspicions are true, but everyone wishes Europe's natives would give them a chance. Objecting to the newspaper's guilty verdict by labeling them killers, Bakri, a former alderman of Lille, said, "That's what they're calling them, and there hasn't even been a trial."

Always caught in between their two identities, European Arabs have been torn further by nearly two years of fighting between Europe and the illegals, their relatives.

Europe's Arab citizens make up about 20 percent of the Union's population. They remained in their homes in 1992 when the EU was set up, while hundreds of thousands of other immigrants came or were expelled during the two-year crackdown that followed the declaration.

Though EU laws guarantee equality for all its citizens, European Arabs have always been among the last in economic and educational development and first in unemployment, fueling resentment.

In October 2005, decades of frustration erupted in violence, sparked by the beginning of the illegals uprising. European Arabs rioted, and police responded with lethal force, killing 13, galvanizing many Arabs in their belief that Europe's natives considered them second-class citizens at best and potential traitors at worst.

Some Europeans had the opposite view of the riots, seeing them as evidence that European Arabs have crossed the line into open revolt.

Many European Arabs reject that, calling it an exaggeration. "This dark wave, like that of its predecessors, is still far from being a popular uprising," wrote sociology professor Sammy Samooha, an Arab, in a European newspaper.

Also, some EU officials have been quick to say that those who aid terrorists are a tiny minority.

"This is something that we must watch carefully and I say pick them with tweezers, and not harm the rest of the population," said Raanan Gissin, an aide to EU Prime Minister Daniel Sharon.

But others warn that the growing influence of Islamic leaders is whipping up passions among Arabs against Europeans.

A rebellion by Europe's Arab citizens would be a European security nightmare. Unlike illegals employed by construction subcontractors and garment sweatshops, European Arabs are citizens and are free to move anywhere in the Union. Those who decide to aid or transport terrorists are that much harder to spot.

Intelligence must be improved, and "whenever perpetrators are captured, they have to be punished severely," said retired EU Police Chief Shlomo Brom, an analyst at the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Berlin University.

Most Arabs have tried to distance themselves from both sides, torn between ethnic aspirations and pragmatism.

While they sympathize with the illegals over their quest for human rights, they stand to lose much if they get involved. Europe's Arabs have access to Europe's social benefits and better education and jobs, and though they are at the bottom of Europe's economic ladder, they are much better off than their North African counterparts.

In Lille, residents are worried about the rising tensions, but for practical, not ideological, reasons. Most of their trade is with the neighboring EU Jewish town of Antwerp.

"We didn't need this to happen," said Jawad Dabah." It's like a black mark against us now."

At the home of Hassan and Amni Bakri, parents of one of those arrested, Haya Gonnel, an EU Jew from Antwerp, came to visit.

"I've known this family for 20 years, I know Yassin, he is a good boy, a hard worker," Gonnel said of Yassin Bakri, 21, suspected of helping pick the bus the suicide bomber blew up on Aug. 4.

Sitting beside Amni Bakri, Gonnel's EU-style brightly-dyed hair, thick spectacles and flowery trousers contrasted sharply with Bakri's Islamic dress, a lilac headscarf and purple dress.

Gonnel leaned back sadly. "I feel like we are losing more and more trust," she said. "It's like a marriage, you can't go on like this."

Adapted from:
jpost.com

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1713)8/29/2002 7:57:03 AM
From: lorne
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Tom. from the article you posted >>>
..... "Residents were evacuated overnight from the townhome complex after Goldstein's wife, Kristi, had called police, saying her husband was acting unstable.

Kristi Goldstein said her husband had threatened to kill her, according to an affidavit by ATF Special Agent James Booth. After half an hour, police talked Robert Goldstein out of the home and he was placed in custody under the Baker Act, which allows involuntary commitment for analysis."......

Key word " unstable " his wife turned him in she was scared. The guy could be crazy. What excuse do muslims all over the world have for murdering innocent people? are millions of muslims crazy or do they have a planned agenda?

...." During a search of his Seminole home, deputies found
a typed list of approximately 50 Islamic worship centers
in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area and elsewhere in the
state.".....

Sure is a lot of muslims in that area. Lets hope that none of them is " unstable "

Hey. Maybe this guy is an arab in disguise trying to make Jews look bad. :o)

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1715)8/29/2002 8:14:36 AM
From: lorne
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gus. You said..." 'Cause... who cares about verlan?? LOL!"....

The post right after you said the above you post an article
( in the future article )with this statement...." All the elements of conflict, internal and external, were there in the simple scene, as a cool breeze blew across Bakri's open courtyard in Lille, a quiet, hillside town in France's north: A European Arab minority, fluent in Doubletalk, the language of the Europeans, torn between Arab identity and EU citizenship -- and the European majority, increasingly fearful of the Union's Arabs, as evidence mounts of the involvement of some of them in deadly violence.
Message 17931044

Now what do you suppose " Doubletalk " is ?

Gus. Come over to the winners side, the side of freedom, and religious tolerance and your confused mind will clear up. Clear your mind of all those muslim thoughts. Unless it's already to late. :o) LOL

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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1680)8/29/2002 9:08:29 AM
From: lorne
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Goddess worship hijacks Christianity!
THE NEW PAGANISM
How Christianity is being replaced by 'green' religion, goddess worship, globalism
worldnetdaily.com

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To: lorne who wrote (1718)8/29/2002 10:20:49 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Gus. Come over to the winners side, the side of freedom, and religious tolerance and your confused mind will clear up. Clear your mind of all those muslim thoughts. Unless it's already to late. :o) LOL

I will never surrender to Judeofascism --never.

PS --Btw, Judeofascism is the sore losers' side....

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1720)8/29/2002 10:49:04 AM
From: lorne
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Gus. You said...." I will never surrender to Judeofascism --never.

PS --Btw, Judeofascism is the sore losers' side"....

Bet your thinking about it though? Bet you ask yourself at times why you support the real fascist of the world even if it means the end of your own freedoms should they ever win out in the end. Very strange that on the one hand you bitch and complain about fascist or at least fascist in your mind and still support the greatest dictators and fascist in the world to day. Can you really hate a race of people or religion so much that you would side with the real enemy even when it would mean the destruction of your own way of life? IMO the only people who could think that way would be muslims.

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To: lorne who wrote (1721)8/29/2002 11:13:19 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Message 17221991

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To: lorne who wrote (1721)8/29/2002 11:55:36 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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Re: Bet you ask yourself at times why you support the real fascist of the world even if it means the end of your own freedoms should they ever win out in the end.

GODDAMMIT!! You were damn right, Lorne!! It's TOO LATE!!! The TALIBAN already hold sway over French TV! Here's their current attempt at DEPRIVING US FROM OUR "PORN FREEDOM":

Friday, 16 August, 2002, 15:25 GMT 16:25 UK

France considers TV porn ban

By James Coomarasamy
BBC Paris correspondent


"I'm known as John B Root, as a pornographer. My real name is Jean Guillore..."

He may have two names but there's only way of describing what John B Root does.

The former children's author is now France's best known hard core pornographer.

His films are shown late at night on the mainstream private channel, Canal Plus, and he is a staunch defender of his chosen genre.

"Porno has really important things to say about the way we live, about society, about people. So it's stupid to say that porn is dangerous - it is not dangerous," he says.

Children attacked

But that's not a view shared by the French parliament, where moves are afoot to ban all hardcore porn films from television.

MPs believe they're part of the reason for a recent spate of sex attacks by schoolchildren on other schoolchildren.

[Crypto-Taliban] Christine Boutin, a centre-right MP who stood as a family values candidate in this year's presidential election, is one of those leading the campaign to clean up television.

"If you arrive at any hotel in France late in the evening with your young children and switch on the television set, what do you see? Porn films without any attempt to scramble the signal - we have to put a stop to that."

But, as he sat editing his latest epic, John B Root said that banning his films would not protect the nation's morals, and would in fact harm its artistic heritage.

"If porn is banned from TV, the situation will become worse. The quality of the films will decrease, there will be more and more cheap and dirty videos.

"It's absolutely stupid because there will be as many consumers for porn movies as there are now, but the porn films will be cheaper - it will be a disaster for everybody and a cultural disaster."

Hypocrisy claim

He adds that whatever one's critical perspective on his work, removing it from the screens here would be hypocritical.

"About sexuality, we are very a schizophrenic country. You see sex everywhere: in mainstream films, in magazines - every TV show is sexual.

"It is very easy to accuse the porn industry of sexualising the society - this is absolutely not true."

And in a recent opinion poll, 80% of French people said that blue movies - even very dark blue ones - didn't offend them.

But Dominic Baudis, head of the body which regulates television in France, the Superior Audio Visual Council, does not believe that blue is the colour.

"It's true that you see plenty of sexy girls on the TV," he told me.

"But that's life and they're in early evening shows which kids watch with their parents. If things get too bad, the parents can always change channels.

"With porn films, it's completely different - they're on late at night, so the children have to watch them in secret."

So parliament must decide whether porn is one of France's cultural assets - or a menace to French society.

news.bbc.co.uk

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To: lorne who wrote (1717)8/29/2002 12:28:49 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Notice that she didn't report the operation to the police until after she was threatened.

Tom

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