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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1702)8/28/2002 9:40:07 PM
From: lorne
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Gus. You said...." LOL! No, verlan is a much older story than France's postwar immigration --if anything, it's been merely adopted by the latest wave of North African immigrants... but they didn't invent it!".....

Gus,gus, gus. sigh. Do you ever bother to read the full article before you make a reply?

This is what I posted...." " Within a couple of decades, Verlan has spread from the peripheral housing projects of France's poorest immigrants, heavily populated with Africans and North African Arabs, and gained widespread popularity among young people across France. "
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Go back and read. Verlan is pretty well explained in the article. My point in posting this article was to show that there are now enough arab muslims in france to cause a language change and more comming every day.
No one said the arabs invented verlan you just dreamed that up all by yourself.

Now, could you explain to all why you LOL

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To: blind alley racer who wrote (1708)8/28/2002 11:22:57 PM
From: lorne
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FBI to Indict Three on Terror Charges in Detroit.
Wednesday, August 28, 2002
WASHINGTON — The government will indict three individuals of Middle Eastern descent Wednesday on terrorism charges in Detroit, Fox News has learned.

Sources told Fox News that one of the three is named Kareem Koubriti. A judge has put a gag order on the case, but the Detroit FBI is expected to issue a paper statement on Wednesday.
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To: epicure who wrote (1700)8/28/2002 11:24:25 PM
From: lorne
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U.S. sings Beijing's tune on 'terrorists'
State agrees with Jiang about status of separatists in western China

Posted: August 28, 2002
5:00 p.m. Eastern
As both Washington and Beijing maneuver diplomatically ahead of a meeting between Chinese President Jiang Zemin and U.S. President George W. Bush in October, the White House has appeased the Chinese government by calling an ethnic Uighur militant group in western China a "terrorist group."

During a two-day visit to Beijing Aug. 25 and 26, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said that, after careful study, Washington had determined that the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, or ETIM, was a "terrorist group" that had "committed acts of violence against unarmed civilians without any regard for who was hurt." Beijing has spent nearly all of the last year trying to convince Washington and others that the group and other Muslim Uighur separatists from China's western Xinjiang region are part of the larger international terrorist threat.

Armitage was not alone in granting diplomatic concessions during the trip. Just prior to his arrival, Beijing announced new regulations to tighten control over the export of missile parts and technology, something Washington had been urging for years. Both sides are trying to shore up relations prior to Jiang's highly symbolic October visit to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. As the date approaches, the rhetoric from both sides will take on a more congenial tone, although they still harbor serious differences.

But, more important than appearances, the Crawford meeting may set the tone for Chinese-U.S. ties for years to come. Relations between the two plummeted after the April 2001 collision of a Chinese fighter and a U.S. surveillance aircraft near the southeastern Chinese coastline. The shifting U.S. foreign policy after the Sept. 11 attacks did little to improve the situation, as China was relegated to the backburner of U.S. interests and Washington used basing agreements with several Central Asian states to gain a presence in China's backyard.

In the past few months, Beijing and Washington have slowly moved to ameliorate this dismal state of affairs. Peter Rodman, the U.S. assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, traveled to Beijing in June to discuss the re-establishment of bilateral military ties curtailed after the April collision. A month later, following the release of a U.S. Congressional report warning of China's growing military and economic threat, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell downplayed the danger and said it was natural that China would transfer some of its growing economic strength into modernizing its military.

More recently, the U.S. commander of the Pacific Air Forces, Gen. William Begert, told reporters Aug. 23 that China had been "very professional" in monitoring U.S. surveillance aircraft over its coast, which would be a noted change from the aggressive actions of Chinese pilots that led to the April 2001 incident. And during his visit to Beijing, Armitage told his Chinese counterparts that Washington had made no decision on attacking Iraq yet and would consult with China before taking action.

The latter comment was particularly pleasing to Chinese officials, as it seemed to confirm Beijing's impression of itself as a major player in international events.

Yet not everything is well in Beijing-Washington relations, as Armitage's visit made clear. China still opposes U.S. military action in Iraq, and Beijing hosted Baghdad's foreign minister just hours after Armitage left. On the contentious issue of Taiwan, Armitage stated that the United States did not support Taiwanese independence, a comment much repeated in the official Chinese media. But he added that Washington did not necessarily "oppose" independence either.

And even Armitage's declaration of the ETIM as a terrorist organization may prove a mixed blessing for Beijing. State Department officials in Washington were quick to clarify that the group had not been added to the list of foreign terrorist organizations, but had simply been labeled "a group that would be subject to Executive Order 13224."

This bureaucratic hair-splitting means that the ETIM is one of hundreds of groups linked to overseas terrorist activities – and thus is subject to domestic U.S. financial sanctions – but is not a designated terrorist organization subject to broader international action.

For Beijing, just mentioning the ETIM in the same breath as "terrorism" was a good enough bonus for now, but in the long run it may present new difficulties for China. While a temporary boon to Chinese relations, Washington's action was just as much for the benefit of Kyrgyzstan and other Central Asian states that are also threatened by Uighur militants.

The United States is strengthening military, political and economic ties in Central Asia, particularly in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, where it has around 2,000 troops and support personnel stationed. These states, as well as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan, have been the scene of several bombings and killings that Beijing has linked to the ETIM or other Uighur militant separatists.

Kyrgyzstan recently deported two suspected Uighur militants for the assassination of a Chinese diplomatic official and an ethnic Uighur Chinese businessman in June. If the United States recognized the ETIM as a terrorist organization, it would strengthen its military ties with Kyrgyzstan and solidify Washington's military position near China's western frontier, giving the United States the ability to directly impact Beijing's ongoing crackdown on suspected Uighur militants and dissidents.

The U.S. military presence in Central Asia, as well as the broader shift in U.S. military relations and deployments after Sept. 11, remains at the core of U.S.- Chinese ties, particularly as Beijing prepares for a long-awaited leadership transition later this year and early next year. It is this change in leadership, as much as anything else, that both Beijing and Washington are focusing on as the two nations' presidents prepare to meet in October.

The Crawford summit is a highly symbolic occasion for Jiang, and he has been trying to gain an invitation to Bush's ranch for more than a year. The visit would solidify his position among the pantheon of Chinese leaders, making him the recognized successor to Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping and proving that he was a world leader on par with the U.S. president.

Jiang is desperate to have everything go as smoothly as possible, and the next two months likely will prove a public relations blitz for the Chinese leader as he shapes ties with Washington to try to show that the two sides are equals.

For Washington, the summit may prove even more important. The U.S. administration also is hoping to shape the transition process in China, and treating Jiang and China well may help guarantee that the so-called reformers, or at least the more pragmatic Chinese leadership, emerge on top. If Washington continues to give the impression that China doesn't matter – or worse, that China is a threat – U.S. officials are concerned that it could lend credence to the other factions, bringing a more belligerent regime to power in Beijing.

As both nations anxiously look toward the Crawford summit, more instances of diplomatic concessions are likely. And any public statements of disagreement will be carefully managed to allow the deliverer to state his position without risking derailing bilateral ties.

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1703)8/28/2002 11:28:42 PM
From: lorne
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Them muslim terrorists are everywhere.....
Norwegian aid project in Iraq taken over by terrorist group
27. August 2002
A power plant built by the Norwegian People's Aid (NFH) in Northern Iraq is now supplying electricity to one of Mullah Krekar's training camps.

The plant was built to provide electric power to around 200 families in two villages in the area. The plant was completed in 2000.

-When the plant was completed, the peopele of the villages wanted to celebrate. However, armed men from Krekar's group put a stop to the festivities, says former head of NFH's projects in Northern Iraq, Ragnar Hansen to NRK Radio.

US authorities are in the possession of pictures from Krekar's camp. These will be shown on a NRK TV documentary broadcast Tuesday evening.

Kurdish-born Krekar came to Norway as a refugee in 1991, and has Norwegian residence permit. However, he has not been granted Norwegian citizenship.

The Norwegian Immigration Dorectorate (UDI) has written a report on Krekar's background, and this has been passed on to the Department of Foreign Affairs.

It is expected that the Government will make a decision early this week on whether or not there are grounds for expelling Krekar from Norway.

Terrorist suspect threatens Norway
28. August 2002
Mullah Krekar, suspected of having connections with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaida terrorist network, has said that Norway will suffer if it supports the US war against terrorism.

The threat was made in a NRK TV documentary broadcast Tuesday evening.

Krekar's statement came after he had declined to take a stand on the terrorist attacks against the US on Sptember the 11th. He refused to comment on whether the attacks represented Holy War or whether they were criminal acts.

He then went on to say that Norway would suffer in future, if the Norwegian authorities would support the war against Islamic terrorism.

He said the Norwegian society was a civilized society, a polite society,- a society far removed from wars and conflicts.

-I do not wish for them to take part in the US frontline, so that they might suffer later, Krekar said in the interview with NRK TV.

The interview was made on location at the village of Bierra in Northern Iraq last April by journalists from a local newspaper. They made the interview on behalf of NRK, afther the Norwegian journalists had been warned not to travel into the area.

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To: lorne who wrote (1710)8/29/2002 12:30:44 AM
From: Thomas M.
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Alleged Mosque Bombing Plot Thwarted

Florida Police Find Explosives, Manuals, Target List in Podiatrist's Home

By Rachel La Corte
The Associated Press

T A M P A, Fla., Aug. 23 — A podiatrist arrested after authorities found a stash of guns and explosives in his home was planning to destroy an Islamic education center and dozens of mosques, court records revealed today.

Dr. Robert J. Goldstein, 37, was charged with
possession of a non-registered destructive device and
attempting to use an explosive to damage and destroy
Islamic centers.

During a search of his Seminole home, deputies found
a typed list of approximately 50 Islamic worship centers
in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area and elsewhere in the

They also found detailed plans for destroying an Islamic
education center with the use of bombs. The location of
the Islamic education center targeted was not

"It looks like this guy was going to target some Islamic
mosques," Pinellas County Sheriff's Detective Cal
Dennie said. "He had a list of what he wanted to target
and the directions on how to get there."

Suspect’s Wife Notified Police

Residents were evacuated overnight from the townhome complex after Goldstein's wife, Kristi, had called police, saying her husband was acting unstable.

Kristi Goldstein said her husband had threatened to kill her, according to an affidavit by ATF Special Agent James Booth. After half an hour, police talked Robert Goldstein out of the home and he was placed in custody under the Baker Act, which allows involuntary commitment for analysis.

Detective Cal Dennie said today that police found a cache of up to 40 weapons, including .50-caliber machine guns and sniper rifles.

"You have to have a special license to get this stuff and he does," said Dennie, who said Goldstein had no criminal record.

House Full of Explosives, Manuals

But he also had more than 30 explosive devices, including hand grenades and a 5-gallon gasoline bomb with a timer and a wire attached, Dennie said.

"It's a number of destructive devices he had, pretty sophisticated stuff," he said. "He had an elaborate system, with video cameras and everything."

Deputies also found five or six rectangular packages with timers on them.

The Hillsborough County bomb squad from Tampa and federal bomb experts were called to the scene, and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officially took over the case.

"He had books on how to make bombs and he was using VCR tapes and walkie-talkies as a means to explode bombs," Dennie said.

Townhouse Complex Could Have Been Destroyed

The 25 to 30 residents who were displaced were allowed back after police opened a safe thought to have contained explosives. There were only more guns in the safe, said Special Agent Carlos Baixauli with the ATF Tampa field division.

"If one of those bombs were to have gone off, that townhouse would have been destroyed," Baixauli said. "If the others exploded, we would have lost most of that townhouse complex."

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To: lorne who wrote (1710)8/29/2002 12:46:32 AM
From: Thomas M.
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Eight years after Hebron massacre, another Goldstein plots Florida remake

JERUSALEM (AFP) - They share the same profession, the
same nationality and even the same name. Before his arrest in
Florida, Robert Goldstein was about to follow in the footsteps of
Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Muslims in a Hebron
mosque eight years ago.

Parallel pictures of the two Goldsteins were splashed across the daily Maariv's
centre-spread and most Israeli newspapers drew a parallel between the two Jewish
extremists in their Sunday editions.

Doctor Robert Goldstein, 37, was arrested by US security services Friday on
suspicion of planning to bomb mosques and Islamic centres, after a huge arsenal of
around 40 weapons and 30 explosive devices was found at his Florida home.

A typed list of approximately 50 Islamic places of worship in the Tampa and St.
Petersburg areas was also found, and the doctor was still being questioned Sunday.

On February 25, 1994, Baruch Goldstein sprayed automatic gunfire on worshippers
praying in a mosque in the Cave of the Patriarchs, a holy site in both Islam and
Judaism, killing 29 Muslims before being lynched.

An American who lived in a Jewish settlement in the heart of the southern West Bank
city of Hebron, Goldstein went on his suicidal shooting spree in a bid to avenge the
victims of Palestinians attacks.

However many more Israelis were to die in the following months during a wave of
revenge bombings by the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

The 1994 massacre was widely condemned in Israel, but a minority of extremist
Jewish settlers have since turned Baruch Goldstein into an icon of their struggle
against the Arabs.

His tomb became a pilgrimage destination for some far-right supporters, and a book
singing his praise and written by an extremist rabbi has been circulating on the black

Baruch Goldstein's grave was symbolically dug at the entrance of the Kiryat Arba
settlement near Hebron, at the end of Meir Kahana street, named after the founder of
the anti-Arab Kach party, who was himself assassinated in New York.

Following the 1994 massacre, Kach was officially outlawed over charges of incitement
to racial hatred, but its militants have continued to be openly active, calling for
Palestinians to be expelled from the entire "land of Israel", including the West Bank,
and accusing successive Israeli governments of weakness or even treason.

Only after a group of Jewish extremists close to the Kach party were caught on April
30 preparing an anti-Palestinian attack near a school did the police carry out some

A few weeks earlier, a bomb attack which had also targeted a Palestinian school in
east Jerusalem had been claimed by an underground extreme-right group.

Bloodshed was averted when two other bombs were defused on the same site, while a
fourth one was also discovered nearby.

Since the intifada erupted on September 28, at least 12 Palestinians have been killed
by Jewish extremists, B'Tselem said, adding that in most cases the killers were not

Official Israeli reports have expressed concern at the impunity of some of the most militant settlers, especially those in Hebron.

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To: lorne who wrote (1709)8/29/2002 3:20:41 AM
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Re: Now, could you explain to all why you LOL

'Cause... who cares about verlan?? LOL!

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1714)8/29/2002 5:15:44 AM
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The EU, a monstrous replicate of Israel:

European Arabs, Europeans tense, concerned about future together after arrests

The Associated Press
Aug. 29, 2005

It was no problem for Mohammed Bakri, a European Arab, to read the headline in the Doubletalk-language newspaper. His problem was the one-word headline: "Killers," referring to his relatives, suspected of helping a Bosnian suicide bomber blow up a European bus.

All the elements of conflict, internal and external, were there in the simple scene, as a cool breeze blew across Bakri's open courtyard in Lille, a quiet, hillside town in France's north: A European Arab minority, fluent in Doubletalk, the language of the Europeans, torn between Arab identity and EU citizenship -- and the European majority, increasingly fearful of the Union's Arabs, as evidence mounts of the involvement of some of them in deadly violence.

Following the arrest of the seven members of the Bakri clan, a few days after four Brussels Arabs were arrested on suspicion of carrying out bombing attacks that killed 35 bystanders, Europe's natives are fearful and suspicious, and Europe's Arabs are on the defensive.

Most of the Bakri relatives don't believe the suspicions are true, but everyone wishes Europe's natives would give them a chance. Objecting to the newspaper's guilty verdict by labeling them killers, Bakri, a former alderman of Lille, said, "That's what they're calling them, and there hasn't even been a trial."

Always caught in between their two identities, European Arabs have been torn further by nearly two years of fighting between Europe and the illegals, their relatives.

Europe's Arab citizens make up about 20 percent of the Union's population. They remained in their homes in 1992 when the EU was set up, while hundreds of thousands of other immigrants came or were expelled during the two-year crackdown that followed the declaration.

Though EU laws guarantee equality for all its citizens, European Arabs have always been among the last in economic and educational development and first in unemployment, fueling resentment.

In October 2005, decades of frustration erupted in violence, sparked by the beginning of the illegals uprising. European Arabs rioted, and police responded with lethal force, killing 13, galvanizing many Arabs in their belief that Europe's natives considered them second-class citizens at best and potential traitors at worst.

Some Europeans had the opposite view of the riots, seeing them as evidence that European Arabs have crossed the line into open revolt.

Many European Arabs reject that, calling it an exaggeration. "This dark wave, like that of its predecessors, is still far from being a popular uprising," wrote sociology professor Sammy Samooha, an Arab, in a European newspaper.

Also, some EU officials have been quick to say that those who aid terrorists are a tiny minority.

"This is something that we must watch carefully and I say pick them with tweezers, and not harm the rest of the population," said Raanan Gissin, an aide to EU Prime Minister Daniel Sharon.

But others warn that the growing influence of Islamic leaders is whipping up passions among Arabs against Europeans.

A rebellion by Europe's Arab citizens would be a European security nightmare. Unlike illegals employed by construction subcontractors and garment sweatshops, European Arabs are citizens and are free to move anywhere in the Union. Those who decide to aid or transport terrorists are that much harder to spot.

Intelligence must be improved, and "whenever perpetrators are captured, they have to be punished severely," said retired EU Police Chief Shlomo Brom, an analyst at the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Berlin University.

Most Arabs have tried to distance themselves from both sides, torn between ethnic aspirations and pragmatism.

While they sympathize with the illegals over their quest for human rights, they stand to lose much if they get involved. Europe's Arabs have access to Europe's social benefits and better education and jobs, and though they are at the bottom of Europe's economic ladder, they are much better off than their North African counterparts.

In Lille, residents are worried about the rising tensions, but for practical, not ideological, reasons. Most of their trade is with the neighboring EU Jewish town of Antwerp.

"We didn't need this to happen," said Jawad Dabah." It's like a black mark against us now."

At the home of Hassan and Amni Bakri, parents of one of those arrested, Haya Gonnel, an EU Jew from Antwerp, came to visit.

"I've known this family for 20 years, I know Yassin, he is a good boy, a hard worker," Gonnel said of Yassin Bakri, 21, suspected of helping pick the bus the suicide bomber blew up on Aug. 4.

Sitting beside Amni Bakri, Gonnel's EU-style brightly-dyed hair, thick spectacles and flowery trousers contrasted sharply with Bakri's Islamic dress, a lilac headscarf and purple dress.

Gonnel leaned back sadly. "I feel like we are losing more and more trust," she said. "It's like a marriage, you can't go on like this."

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1713)8/29/2002 7:57:03 AM
From: lorne
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Tom. from the article you posted >>>
..... "Residents were evacuated overnight from the townhome complex after Goldstein's wife, Kristi, had called police, saying her husband was acting unstable.

Kristi Goldstein said her husband had threatened to kill her, according to an affidavit by ATF Special Agent James Booth. After half an hour, police talked Robert Goldstein out of the home and he was placed in custody under the Baker Act, which allows involuntary commitment for analysis."......

Key word " unstable " his wife turned him in she was scared. The guy could be crazy. What excuse do muslims all over the world have for murdering innocent people? are millions of muslims crazy or do they have a planned agenda?

...." During a search of his Seminole home, deputies found
a typed list of approximately 50 Islamic worship centers
in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area and elsewhere in the

Sure is a lot of muslims in that area. Lets hope that none of them is " unstable "

Hey. Maybe this guy is an arab in disguise trying to make Jews look bad. :o)

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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (1715)8/29/2002 8:14:36 AM
From: lorne
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gus. You said..." 'Cause... who cares about verlan?? LOL!"....

The post right after you said the above you post an article
( in the future article )with this statement...." All the elements of conflict, internal and external, were there in the simple scene, as a cool breeze blew across Bakri's open courtyard in Lille, a quiet, hillside town in France's north: A European Arab minority, fluent in Doubletalk, the language of the Europeans, torn between Arab identity and EU citizenship -- and the European majority, increasingly fearful of the Union's Arabs, as evidence mounts of the involvement of some of them in deadly violence.
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Now what do you suppose " Doubletalk " is ?

Gus. Come over to the winners side, the side of freedom, and religious tolerance and your confused mind will clear up. Clear your mind of all those muslim thoughts. Unless it's already to late. :o) LOL

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