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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1624)8/25/2002 10:45:46 PM
From: Brumar89
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As I just said, appeasing our enemies in the Islamic world will only strengthen their standing.

It occurs to me that appeasing America's enemies would be considered a good thing to one who sees America as the major source of evil in the world. And you did dodge this question repeatedly:

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So here's a simple question - is the US the major source of evil in the world today? Feel free to check with Ms. Lowenstein or Noam before answering.

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1625)8/25/2002 10:57:18 PM
From: Emile Vidrine
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Maimonides

"Gush Emunim rabbis have continually reiterated that Jews who killed Arabs should not be punished, [e.g.]...Relying on the Code of Maimonides and the Halacha, Rabbi Ariel stated, 'A Jew who killed a non-Jew is exempt from human judgement and has not violated the [religious] prohibition of murder'..The significance here is most striking when the broad support, both direct and indirect, for Gush Emunim is considered. About one-half of Israel's Jewish population supports Gush Emunim." "Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky's "Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel"

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1625)8/25/2002 10:59:59 PM
From: Emile Vidrine
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Maimonides

The Rise of Christian Europe, Thames and Hudson, London, 1965, pp.173-4. Trevor-Roper is also one of the very few modern historians who mention the predominant Jewish role in the early medieval slave trade between Christian (and pagan) Europe and the Muslim world (ibid., pp.92-3). "In order to promote this abomination Maimonides allowed Jews, in the name of the Jewish religion, to abduct Gentile children into slavery; and his opinion was no doubt acted upon or reflected contemporary practice."

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1625)8/25/2002 11:07:39 PM
From: Emile Vidrine
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Maimonides

The Edigio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah - replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish') - was published unexpurgated in Rome in the year 1480 under Sixtus IV, politically a very active pope who had a constant and urgent need for money. (A few years earlier, the only older edition of The Golden Ass by Apulcius from which the violent attack on Christianity had not been removed was also published in Rome.) Alexander VI Borgin was also very liberal in this respect."
JEWISH HISTORY, JEWISH RELIGION by Israel Shahak ch. 2

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1625)8/25/2002 11:11:45 PM
From: Emile Vidrine
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The teachings of Maimonides on blacks, Turks and Mongols:

Maimonides is perhaps the most esteemed rabbi of all times among modern Jews.

"Some of the Turks [i.e., the Mongol race] and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does."

We have to assume that since goldsnow and his modern fellow Jews esteem him so highly that they also subscribe to his racial views that Mongols, Turks and blacks are non-humans.

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To: goldsnow who wrote (1625)8/25/2002 11:17:08 PM
From: Emile Vidrine
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How the Jews hide Maimonides' racism"

The Deception Continues

Modern scholars of Judaism have not only continued the deception, but have actually improved upon the old rabbinical methods, both in impudence and in mendacity. I omit here the various histories of antisemitism, as unworthy of serious consideration, and shall give just three particular examples and one general example of the more modern 'scholarly' deceptions.

In 1962, a part of the Maimonidean Code referred to above, the so-called Book of Knowledge, which contains the most basic rules of Jewish faith and practice, was published in Jerusalem in a bilingual edition, with the English translation facing the Hebrew text.20 The latter has been restored to its original purity, and the command to exterminate Jewish infidels appears in it in full: 'It is a duty to exterminate them with one's own hands.' In the English translation this is somewhat softened to: 'It is a duty to take active measures to destroy them.' But then the Hebrew text goes on to specify the prime examples of 'infidels' who must be exterminated: 'Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos 21 and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot'. Not one 'word of this appears in the English text on the facing page (78a). And, even more significant, in spite of the wide circulation of this book among scholars in the English-speaking countries, not one of them has, as far as I know, protested against this glaring deception.

The second example comes from the USA, again from an English translation of a book by Maimonides. Apart from his work on the codification of the Talmud, he was also a philosopher and his Guide to the Perplexed is justly considered to be the greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy and is widely read and used even today. Unfortunately, in addition to his attitude towards non-Jews generally and Christians in particular, Maimonides was also an anti-Black racist. Towards the end of the Guide, in a crucial chapter (book III, chapter 51) he discusses how various sections of humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the true worship of God. Among those who are incapable of even approaching this are:



"Some of the Turks [i.e., the Mongol race] and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does."



Now, what does one do with such a passage in a most important and necessary work of Judaism? Face the truth and its consequences? God forbid! Admit (as so many Christian scholars, for example, have done in similar circumstances) that a very important Jewish authority held also rabid anti-Black views, and by this admission make an attempt at self-education in real humanity? Perish the thought. I can almost imagine Jewish scholars in the USA consulting among themselves, 'What is to be done?' - for the book had to be translated, due to the decline in the knowledge of Hebrew among American Jews. Whether by consultation or by individual inspiration, a happy solution' was found: in the popular American translation of the Guide by one Friedlander, first published as far back as 1925 and since then reprinted in many editions, including several in paperback, the Hebrew word Kushi,,:, which means Blacks, was simply transliterated and appears as 'Kushites', a word which means nothing to those who have no knowledge of Hebrew, or to whom an obliging rabbi will not give an oral explanation.22 During all these years, not a word has been said to point out the initial deception or the social facts underlying its continuation - and this throughout the excitement of Martin Luther King's campaigns, which were supported by so many rabbis, not to mention other Jewish figures, some of whom must have been aware of the anti-Black racist attitude which forms part of their Jewish heritage.23

Surely one is driven to the hypothesis that quite a few of Martin Luther King's rabbinical supporters were either anti-Black racists who supported him for tactical reasons of 'Jewish interest' (wishing to win Black support for American Jewry and for Israel's policies) or were accomplished hypocrites, to the point of schizophrenia, capable of passing very rapidly from a hidden enjoyment of rabid racism to a proclaimed attachment to an anti-racist struggle - and back - and back again.


Taken from Israel Shahak's JEWISH HISTORY, JEWEISH RELIGION
Ch. 2 PREJUDICE AND PREVARICATION

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (1626)8/25/2002 11:54:26 PM
From: Thomas M.
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Thanks for making these people want to kill us. Are you proud of yourself?

Tom

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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1633)8/26/2002 12:20:07 AM
From: Brumar89
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Unable to craft an intelligent response again, I see.

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To: monkey's uncle who wrote (1600)8/26/2002 5:57:15 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER
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An interesting article indeed.... As I once put it, Europe is gradually morphing into "White Africa" (in terms of urbanization, widening rich-poor gap, GDP per capita, corruption, one-man politics, etc) After all, Russia's Congolization is almost completed. I believe that life expectancy in Russia is barely higher than Congo's, and I've read an article about the rise of MALARIA in Moscow!! (*)

(*) earthchangestv.com

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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1631)8/26/2002 7:34:30 AM
From: Brumar89
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It's not so surprising that a man would share the bigotries common to his society. This fellow, Maimonides, was well integrated (he was the sultan's family doctor) in a racist Moslem society actively involved in enslaving black Africans.

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