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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (741)8/29/2006 1:31:13 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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AV, why did you choose to delete the post referenced in the link below instead of discussing it? Is suppression of the news a good idea? How come you would rather suppress the news instead of discussing it? Was it an embarrassment to you? I'm just curious... TIA

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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (741)8/29/2006 6:55:56 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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AV, the post you intentionally deleted was a news report from a reliable news service that reported more than 50 girls were not allowed to leave a burning school building because they weren't wearing some religious article of clothing because they were trying to run for their lives from the fire that was consuming the school and which eventually killed all of them as a result... it was reported that these girls were already fully dressed, but just didn't grab that one piece of religious garb since they were in such a panic to escape the huge fire... could you kindly discuss and explain according to your religion why the religious leaders at that school took such action to block those girls from leaving which resulted in all their deaths? TIA

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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (741)8/29/2006 7:04:33 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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AV, could you kindly explain why a passport photo of a 5 year old girl was refused because her shoulders were bare and because "it might offend moslums?" TIA

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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (746)8/29/2006 10:53:49 AM
From: ManyMoose
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To: ManyMoose who wrote (747)8/29/2006 10:56:48 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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It must have been good...

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From: AmericanVoter8/30/2006 3:41:17 AM
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If one thinks about the thread title, one can very easily conclude that the intent here is not to discuss or address how some "muslims" or "non-muslims" act or behave in the name of Islam.

Hence, I do not entertain any discussions in that context.

Anyone can create a different thread and post all they want to their hearts' desire.

Finally, and to be fair, one has to discern the difference between Islam and the cultures in certain countries. Changing cultures though I must add.

Suffice it to say, that a woman fought side by side with the Prophet and she was not his wife. She even defended him and was badly injured in that battle. And she was not the only one.

Hence, a person of average intelligence and without bias has to carefully think and consider what someone somewhere says or does in the name of Islam, and whether that can be for real or a pretext.

regards

AV

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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (749)8/30/2006 8:10:14 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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Let's face it, you duck away and hide, you are too afraid to address the issues I've raised, you're just another coward, isn't that the truth... go ahead, make my day and ban me, who cares, this thread will dry up like the camel poop that it is...

So long, sap...

Oh, yeah, grub 750...<g>

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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (750)8/30/2006 8:35:01 AM
From: FUBHO
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this thread will dry up like the camel poop that it is...


LMAO!

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To: FUBHO who wrote (751)8/30/2006 8:38:27 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™
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Yup...<g>

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From: AmericanVoter9/2/2006 12:23:25 AM
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Fascism glorifies the nation-state; Islam is transnational.

August 29, 2006
Bigotry and Ignorance of Islam

by Charley Reese
President George Bush's ignorance of the Middle East and its people is well-known. So also is his habit of parroting words and sentences given to him by other people. He hit a new low when he referred to "Islamic fascists."

No two more opposite concepts are to be found. Fascism glorifies the nation-state; Islam is transnational. Fascism demands slavish devotion to a national leader; Muslims are far too independent-minded to be slavish followers of anybody. Virtually all the people Saddam Hussein murdered were people trying to overthrow him. Fascism is militaristic. Islam is not.

Mr. Bush, who has dubbed himself the "war president," has made a pathetic and absurd effort to picture himself as Winston Churchill facing off against evil. He is no Churchill. Most of the enemies he imagines, he has created himself.

The West faces no threat from Islam. Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the world, but it really is a religion of peace. More importantly, it is a religion that concentrates on individual salvation. There is no Muslim pope, no College of Cardinals, no bishops, no priesthood. Any five Muslims anywhere in the world can start their own mosque. Imams are teachers and, like Protestant preachers or Jewish rabbis, can be fired by their congregation. The Shi'ite version is slightly more organized.

A fatwa is a statement issued by an imam, usually explanatory. It is similar to statements issued by the pope, with this important difference: No Muslim is bound by any fatwa. Muslims are free to pay attention to it or to ignore it.

Islam, like Christianity, is a universal religion that ignores nationality, race or color. To become a Muslim, one must profess belief in one God, acknowledge Muhammad as his prophet, recognize the Quran as the word of God, pray five times a day, provide for the poor and, if possible, make a trip to Mecca once in your lifetime. The God Muslims worship is the same God Christians and Jews worship.

To dispose of some of the slanderous misstatements being floated about, Islam forbids forced conversions. People would do well to read some history rather than rely on ignorant and malicious radio and TV talk-show hosts. The oldest Christian communities in the world are all in Muslim countries. There have always been Christian and Jewish communities in the Muslim world. Muslims are commanded to treat Christians and Jews as they would treat themselves. They revere Jesus as a prophet and highly respect the Virgin Mary. The disputes you see in the modern Middle East are not religious; they are all about secular matters, principally Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

The Arabs see Israel as the last European colonialist state imposed on them by the European powers. That's true, in fact.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are concerned only with ending Israeli occupation of Palestine. Hezbollah is concerned with ending Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Al-Qaeda wants to overthrow the Persian Gulf governments and is at war with us because we are the principal backers and supporters of those governments. Al-Qaeda alone is most un-Islamic and has been so labeled by a majority of Muslims. It is a small group.

If you wish to understand Islam, turn off your TV and go to the library. Introduce yourself to some of America's 6 million Muslims. You'll find them to be very decent and patriotic people. There are some fanatics among Muslims, just as there are among Jews and Christians. Most of the New England states were originally populated by people fleeing Puritan rule in Massachusetts.

The way to combat the fanatics is to extend the hand of friendship to ordinary Muslims and to protest the slander and libel of Muslims and Islam, just as you should protest the slander and libel of Jews and other groups. Bigotry should have no place in our public dialogue, regardless of the target.

It's obvious that President Bush will never understand the world into which he was born, but most Americans have more open minds – except, of course, those who prefer to click their heels and salute when their Fuehrer of choice speaks.

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