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To: michael97123 who wrote (758)5/10/2002 2:58:57 PM
From: Jerome
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Mike...are you not concerned that Bush and the military are dramatically over estimating Sadams nuclear capability?

All during the 60's 70's and 80's the CIA, the military and the military industrial complex misled the American People about military strength of Russia. Russia's military strength was about 1/4 of what was given as estimates to the American People.

I'm of the opinion that having Nuclear Capability and being able to do something with it are entirely different problems.

From what I know of nuclear science the big danger is not from a nuclear weapon (explosive type)but from a nuclear device that would leak radiation without exploding. Something like Chernobyl.

The spymasters would have you believe you can go into a Wal-Mart and your neighborhood nuclear power plant and then a radiology department at your local hospital and pick enough enough equipment to make a nuclear device that you can toss into your car trunk until you decide where to use it.

Until something is resolved between Israel and Palestine Bush's war on the axis of evil goes no where.

Good op/ed article that you suggested in yesterday's NYT's

>>>I throw the question open to this very inactive thread.<<<

All the posters are afraid of you Mike...any criticism of Israel could put a poster on Sharon's hit list. I just got my alfalfa fields planted and the last thing I want to see is a bunch of Israeli tanks surrounding my house and messing up my irrigated alfalfa acres.

JMO....Jerome

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To: Jerome who wrote (759)5/10/2002 6:24:56 PM
From: michael97123
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Dont worry, Jerome we will give you a pass for your alfalfa fields, but poppy fields are another story. rotflmao

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To: michael97123 who wrote (760)5/10/2002 8:22:38 PM
From: Jerome
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The biggest hazard from here is that Bush starts to believe his own brag. International politics are a fluid thing, ever changing as the weather. Bush in going after his "axis of evil" is likely to make some serious miscalculations.

JMO....Jerome

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To: Jerome who wrote (761)5/10/2002 8:27:09 PM
From: Jerome
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Con't..."axis of evil"

One only has to read a little about the Boer War in Africa to learn how much the British miscalculated. What started as a holiday jaunt for the British soldiers ended up costing them about 40,000 lives.

Iraq could end up about the same.

JMO...Jerome

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To: Jerome who wrote (762)5/13/2002 8:26:00 AM
From: michael97123
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Hell Afganistan is smelling more and more like vietnam. I hope we are both overreacting and these guys have enough sense to do this right or not do it at all.
With that HBO LBJ movie coming in june focusing in on guys like macnamara, who also seemed so competent back then, we must be careful about following blindly. On the other hand it would be a good thing if our leaders no what they are doing and in a couple of years we are mostly terror free and without saddam while at the same time iran and NK are changed from within. We also thought reagan might have been a bit crazy when he told gorby to take down the wall. That gamble did work out. mike

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To: michael97123 who wrote (763)5/13/2002 9:04:41 AM
From: Jerome
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Look at the Bush attack on Castro....to me it looks like a major misstep. If Bush squanders his creditability on countries like Cuba....he is leaving little to work with on the axis of evil.

JMO...Jerome

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To: Jerome who wrote (764)5/13/2002 9:46:53 AM
From: michael97123
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Jerome,
Have we attacked Cuba? Did i miss the news? What misstep? Tiny country ruled my last of commie dictators. Even if bush policy (unlike your boy jimmy) is wrong toward castro, how could this ever be a major mistake? mike

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To: michael97123 who wrote (765)5/13/2002 10:39:04 AM
From: Fred Levine
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It looks like we have dwindled to three contentious posters. I visited Cuba under Castro in 1959-60 (over New Year's day) and people forgot that the background was the ruthless dictatorship of Batista. Castro was wildly popular, a cult hero, and had not designated himself a communist. Because he nationalized United Fruit and others, Eisenhower isolated him and he joined the communist bloc. Eisenhower refused to meet with him.

In retrospect, it was a brilliant move because Castro contributed to the bankruptcy of the USSR and was, with the exception of the Soviet missles, no threat to the USA. Whenever I hear Cubans talk about him now, they get annoyed when I ask about Batista.

fred

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To: Fred Levine who wrote (766)5/13/2002 11:07:15 AM
From: michael97123
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Fred,
I was in HS then and Castro's revolution was one of the great romantic revolutions of the day. It is unfathonable how a baseball fanatic like castro could become one of the great despots in our hemisphere. He could have allied himself with the communists and remained independent, socialist and democratic or at least he could have tried. Looking back over time, he must have been a communist all along like Lenin and masked the evil side until he gained 100% power. In any case we can all agree that history has passed him by and its time to go, one way or the other.

RE: the mideast My feeling is that Netanyahoo made a fundamental mistake in my view, by undercutting his PM in a wartime situation. I hear of new alliances forming between Labor, the Sharansky party, and realists in Likud that will isolate Bibi. Netanyahoo is an offshoot of that ultra religious Brooklyn Jewish community that became the heart of the the settlement movement--Greater Israel/Judea and Samaria. Sharon is pre-that movement and althought he may covet that land for political/military reasons, he is not wedded to that concept the way the religious right in Israel is. YOur thoughts Fred and jerome of course. mike

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To: michael97123 who wrote (767)5/13/2002 10:14:39 PM
From: Jerome
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Mike & Fred....the two contentious posters on this thread.

I think the Likud party made a strange announcement about the no possibility of a Palestinean State.

Why did they bring this up now? Was this meant to undercut Bush and Powell? I believe that Israeli politics will remain a mystery to me. There must be some one in the Likud party that says every morning..."What would really piss the Americans off today".....As you said Mike the Israeli's ar not PR geniuses.
If Netanyahoo miscalculated does Sharon see his vision strengthened? What happens when the US says there sould be a Palestinean state?

Concerning Cuba and the biological weapons charge. I Think the Bush administration charge was a trial balloon. I think it was an error to make the charge, because crying wolf too often becomes self defeating.

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