| To: KLP who wrote (93003) | 4/12/2003 6:35:11 PM | | From: kumar | | | | | OK, "translatioin error". I interpreted newsgroup as the internet newsgroups structure. U meant it as a group of news articles, I think. |
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| To: carranza2 who wrote (92826) | 4/12/2003 6:35:16 PM | | From: FaultLine | | | | likewise apologized to you via PM
Indeed you did and I accepted.
FWIW: It was your call to say this here because I try not to discuss PM's in general (even though I gave a hint of our exchange in my previous post).
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| To: FaultLine who started this subject | 4/12/2003 6:39:09 PM | | From: JohnM | | | | Today's New York Times has contrasting views on the argument that the key to ME peace is through a settling of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Here is the introductory blurb. Then I'll put the links. Doran makes some fascinating points, always writes a great piece.
We are, quite clearly, going to see the outcome of taking Doran's advice over Telhami's.
When President Bush and the British prime minister, Tony Blair, met this week in Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, they announced an all-out push to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by implementing the "road map," the Middle East peace initiative that envisions a Palestinian state by 2005. Britain, along with France and other nations in Europe and the Arab world, have declared that a Mideast peace settlement is the only way to bring stability to the Arab world. The Bush administration, though, has treated the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as one problem that must compete with many others, like getting rid of Saddam Hussein.
Shibley Telhami, the Anwar Sadat professor for peace and development at the University of Maryland and the author of "The Stakes: America and the Middle East: The Consequences of Power and the Choice for Peace," argues that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is indeed at the heart of the region's problems, that it is essential to the success of any American policy.
Michael Scott Doran, adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and assistant professor at Princeton University, disagrees. He argues that maintaining American predominance in the Persian Gulf, with its oil reserves and its strategic location — not settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — is a prerequisite for stability.
Mideast Peace?: An Arab-Israeli Pact Must Come First
By SHIBLEY TELHAMI
nytimes.com
Mideast Peace?: The Key to Peace Is a Stable Gulf
By MICHAEL SCOTT DORAN
nytimes.com |
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| To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (92922) | 4/12/2003 6:44:11 PM | | From: KonKilo | | | | Yes, I see a close between the US today, and Napolean's Empire a few years before Moscow.
Eeyeewwww!
Anti-Americans!
I'll bet you were sneering when you typed that!!!
(Sorry, wanted to see, for just a moment, how the other side lives...<g>) |
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| To: FaultLine who wrote (92998) | 4/12/2003 6:48:04 PM | | From: paul_philp | | | | Great post, thanks!
Thinking about the systems evolution in our political and social structures, and seeing much that lurks within similar to what I have just described, is at the same time a little depressing, because of the constraints it exposes, yet reassurring that the universe has 'its ways'.
I think seeing things in terms of systems evolution is a powerful framework. I see the Middle East has a system heading towards collapse so the goal is simply to get the evolution happening again before the collapse spreads.
Paul |
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| To: JohnM who wrote (92969) | 4/12/2003 6:48:50 PM | | From: Neeka | | | | At the moment it still illustrates the rabid right's (just couldn't resist typing that--I've been controlling my twitching fingers far too long--but they just took over and said to hell with my better instincts) first priority is not to report or analyze the news but to find some way to beat up on everyone else.
These so called "rabid right's priorities" may have had some justification after all when one takes CNNs Eason Jordon's report into consideration.
There is a sense that there is a lot of mistrust of the various news organizations because the news they relay seems so one way or that something is missing or that too much editorializing takes place.
I can honestly say that I have been a lot more sceptical, and have paid a lot more attention to news reporting in general since the whole idea of slanting the news became an issue. Before the word was used for that purpose, I thought of slant as giving a direction other than perpendicular or horizontal.
This question is common, but is it really a news organizations duty to analyze the news?
M |
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| To: FaultLine who started this subject | 4/12/2003 6:59:40 PM | | From: Doc Bones | | | | A Brief Overview of the Battlefield
By Nick Wadhams Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 12, 2003
American forces agreed Saturday to team up with Iraqi police to stem widespread looting that emptied the National Museum of thousands of ancient treasures, while U.S. Marines geared up to push north toward Tikrit, President Saddam Hussein's hometown.
In the west, coalition troops took an airfield and advance units of the 4th Infantry Division moved into southern Iraq from Kuwait.
Here's a summary of reports about units on the move in Iraq, followed by other battlefield developments. The reports are culled from official assessments and from journalists of The Associated Press and member news organizations traveling with American units in Iraq.
IN AND AROUND BAGHDAD
- The U.S. military agreed to conduct joint patrols with Iraqi police to restore order in Baghdad, hit hard by looting at government ministries and the National Museum. U.S. officials were dispatching the first contingent of 1,200 American police and judicial officers to help troops quash lawlessness.
Earlier in the day, U.S. forces had reopened two strategic bridges in the heart of Baghdad - giving looters easier access to territory that had been spared. U.S. forces watched but did not intervene as plunderers swarmed into several government buildings.
- American troops battled Iraqi fighters outside the Palestine Hotel, underscoring the danger that still confronts them in the Iraqi capital. Marines found nearly 50 suicide bomb vests packed with explosives in a school in central Baghdad.
- Saddam's science adviser, Lt. Gen. Amer al-Saadi, surrendered Saturday to U.S. authorities. He immediately insisted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Al-Saadi is believed to be the first of 52 regime figures sought by the coalition to be taken into custody.
- A "significant-sized force" of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was gearing up to move out of Baghdad to confront suspected Iraqi military strongholds north of the city. The Marines were expected they would head for Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, where Iraqi resistance remains the strongest.
THE NORTH
- U.S. military convoys of Humvees and pickups mounted with heavy machines guns rolled through boulevards in the northern city of Mosul and took up positions at busy intersections. Thousands of people waved and applauded as they passed.
Looting diminished in Mosul with the arrival of the American troops. On Friday, pro-Saddam defense forces dissolved and U.S. special forces moved in.
Special operations forces and soldiers with the 173rd Airborne secured another important northern city, Kirkuk. Troops are still expanding security in Kirkuk's oil fields and the gas-oil separation plants.
TO THE WEST AND SOUTH
- The 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit set up checkpoints around Kut, 95 miles southeast of Baghdad, where intelligence reports said thousands of foreign fighters might be holed up. Marines stopped vehicles to see if Iraqi soldiers or paramilitary fighters were trying to escape the city.
- Troops from the 4th Infantry Division pushed into southern Iraq from Kuwait, headed north to take the place of the 3rd Infantry Division - now in Baghdad but likely to push north toward Tikrit.
- In western Iraq, U.S. forces stopped a bus with 59 men of military age carrying $650,000 in cash and a letter offering rewards for killing American soldiers. Military officials said the bus was headed for Syria.
U.S. special operations forces also seized control of the Asad airfield in western Iraq, where they found 15 undamaged fixed-wing fighter aircraft. Coalition troops took control of crossings on two highways leading into Syria. There was tough resistance near Qaim, on the Syrian border, raising speculation that the town might be site for illegal weapons.
AT SEA:
- With the air war over Iraq winding down, the Navy is likely to send home two of the three aircraft carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf, the commander of all naval forces in the Gulf said Saturday.
Vice Adm. Timothy Keating told reporters that the first to head home will likely be the USS Kitty Hawk, based in Yokosuka, Japan. The USS Constellation, based in Coronado, Calif., would probably go next. The third carrier, the USS Nimitz, just arrived as a replacement for the USS Abraham Lincoln, which is en route to its home port of Everett, Wash., after nearly nine months at sea.
AP-ES-04-12-03 1800EDT
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