| To: HH who wrote (88390) | 3/31/2003 5:43:07 PM | | From: Sun Tzu | | | | France bullying the rest of Europe into "give me what I want or I'll break up EU" does more than damage to France. People universally resent that kind of treatment from anyone. And just as we are now reaping what we sowed long ago, so will France.
As to the issue of Bush doing damage, there is an old (and historically accurate?) story about a Caliph and his Vizier walking in the garden. They were having a good time and saw a good looking apple. So the Caliph asks the Vizier to pick it. The Vizier climbs on top of Caliph's shoulders, steps on his head to reach the apple, and then they both share and enjoy it. They call the gardener to appreciate his good work. The gardener, belonging to the Vizier's clan, asks for written document attesting that he has no relations to that clan. This was a surprising request but they had promised to make him happy and give it to him. Few years later the Caliph orders the massacre of every member of Vizier's clan. The gardener is spared but brought to the Caliph for questioning. When asked how he knew this would happen even before the Caliph did, he answered, "a fountain that reaches its peak topples over. I knew that Vizier could never go any higher after being allowed to step over his majesty's head".
As I see it, after reading various quotes from PNAC, one can't really get any higher than feeling comfortable to claim we can do whatever we want and even in matters that do not concern US, we will interfere to prevent anyone getting stronger than what they already are. So I see this as the beginning of the end, no matter how the war goes.
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| To: Sajjad who wrote (88393) | 3/31/2003 5:45:18 PM | | From: Condor | | | | On the other hand, do you believe if the WMDs are not found. Would it have any effect on the opinions of the pro war constituency?
Presumably it would temper their aggressiveness. However, evidence of WMD's WILL be found and the scenario you present will not come up. It has to be this way (one way or another) and I'm enough of a realist not to get bent out of shape about it. Some things just are. |
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| To: The Philosopher who wrote (88331) | 3/31/2003 5:47:06 PM | | From: Elsewhere | | | | <US soldiers wounded as Iraqi troops open fire from Red Crescent ambulance>
If the UN had any integrity left, which it doesn't, it would publicly condemn these tactics.
1) Comments by such institutions never occur within hours after an event.
2) The UN hasn't commented on events like the following one, too:
U.S. Forces Kill Seven Iraqi Women, Kids
story.news.yahoo.com
3) HIGH COMMISSIONER REPEATS CALL ON PARTIES IN IRAQ TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS, PROTECT CIVILIANS
un.org
4) If you belong to the people who believe that the UN has a negative bias towards the USA and Israel here is a recent counter example:
UN envoy condemns suicide bombing in Israel
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| To: Condor who wrote (88426) | 3/31/2003 5:49:23 PM | | From: Rascal | | | | They really don't have to find it.
They just have to say they found it.
The embeds will report it, giving it
a sense of validation. It's enough.
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| To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (88371) | 3/31/2003 5:51:24 PM | | From: The Philosopher | | | | "I chaired an international commission on Kosovo and we came to the conclusion
that, although illegal, it was legitimate
Huh? That destroys his entire argument.
What he is saying is that there is a law above international law which can justify actions. But this higher law isn't written down anywhere. So, where does it come from, and what are its standards, and how can he say Bush isn't following it?
He has destroyed his whole premise. |
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| To: tekboy who wrote (88419) | 3/31/2003 5:54:21 PM | | From: LindyBill | | | | | I am not either, that is why I am asking. The Ambassadors seem to be a pain in the Ass to our four star "Pro Counsels." I took it from the comments that our Political Ambassadors don't feel they have to be subservient to the Regional Specialists at State. The comment came up that our Diplomatic corps is an 18th Century setup. |
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| To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (88295) | 3/31/2003 5:56:11 PM | | From: Condor | | | | >>The only place I ever see or hear Canada mentioned is on this thread.<<
LOL! You know, now that I think about it, that's pretty much true for me too.
It is a large country just north of you and goes from sea to sea much as your country does (that would be the USA bbm). It has 32 million people and is about 1/10 th the population of the USA (that would be where you live bbm). The people are very nice and ice fish most of their lives. Just below you bbm, that would be south on a compass, there is a country that adjoins the USA and its called Mexico. |
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| To: michael97123 who wrote (88302) | 3/31/2003 6:00:16 PM | | From: KLP | | | | | Jesse Jackson should pay attention to his own homefront...His family, his Rainbow-Push lovein family, the Chicago night club cinge around his ears.... He is an unmitigated disaster who thinks he knows best for someone else, while his own shack is burning. |
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