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To: carranza2 who wrote (160394)4/14/2005 2:29:24 PM
From: marcos
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Zapata could read? ... what amazing news, the papers must be notified -g- ... actually he could read, but is said to have preferred verbal discussion, and in a get-to-the-point style, no long-winded speechifying, just the practical bits, thank you

But he could read, it was carrancista propaganda that he could not ... every schoolteacher in Morelos, and most in the nation, know who probably helped him to improve his reading - Profe y Gral. Otilio Edmundo Montaño Sánchez - 200.39.200.70

MS taught school in Anenecuilco before 1910, and helped Z with his suit against the hacendados ... then later taught in Ayala [? - if memory serves], and was there the author [at least as scribe and editor] of the Plan de Ayala ... shortly after, became a general with the surianos, was shot in 1917 after a quick 'trial' by a group of his fellows infected with personal ambitions ... that site above is response to those charges

The ideology of Zapata was strictly his own, to get back for the people their stolen land, punto ... and strictly rural people, you won't see much of anything from him regarding cities or industrial workers, provided that they were not such under duress, having had their land stolen ... Z was his own man, and unique, but seems to have relied on Montaño for assistance in refining political tactics .... Montaño had definitely read Flores Magón, everyone had in those days, and while FM was certainly influenced by Marx and Engels, he was considered an anarchist of some sort ... long story short, they all agreed that it was wrong to dispossess the people, who should have their stolen land returned, and if that is 'marxist' in the eyes of any others, then those others are defining the term in a novel and useless manner

You likely know all this stuff ... amusing to see your nick defend the honour of don Emiliano -g- ... in the library of San Cristóbal Chis. there was years ago a great book centred on Montaño Sánchez, it was stamped inside the cover 'Biblioteca de Cuernavaca', hard to say how it got to SC, but it became at that point more suriano than ever -g-

As for violence against priests, that worked both ways, the church had through various periods instigated their followers in persecuting liberales ... Juárez certainly had problems with them, and in the twenties the cristeros shot more than a few schoolteachers ... it was a struggle for power, and in no way were the cristeros the ideological contrary of marxists, they were the same, both big-R Religions opposed to the human rights agenda of the liberales

Not that there were ever more than a handful of marxists, that stuff just didn't apply to a people overwhelmingly agrarian ... there were more cristeros fanatics, but still they were a tiny fraction of population ... the campesino basically just wants his individual human rights, while placating his wife in the department of religion when and if necessary, all things in balance, and later for the ideology

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160470)4/14/2005 2:32:40 PM
From: michael97123
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"Oh, it is different, Mike, it is, it is. You haven't properly absorbed the prevalent multi-culti psychobabble animating the argument. See, when the US of A or Israel doesn't obey the Geneva Conventions to the letter and grant POW status to every captured terrorist, that's a crime against civilization. But when the terrorists saw the heads off women and blow up children, they are expressing their own oppressed cultural norms. Brown oppressed people like them cannot be held to the same standard as civilized white people. That "Orientalism". That's "Colonialism". Bad, bad, bad."

Really? I never knew. (ggg)

The funny thing is that i sympathise with oppressed folks, even the pals who are victims of euro colonialism no doubt that they have turned into a war against the Jews. But when they turn to violence against innocents and pervert a great religion, its a fight to the death for me. It is for liberals too but they just expect us to roll over and die. Do liberal women really want a world of genital mutilation, burkas, stoning, dead suicide bombing children. sharia law. etc? Guilt drives these basically good folks to be stupid beyond belief. And then they wrap it all in the constitution as if there is a death wish there. Hell in WW2, innocent japanese were sent to camps by liberal FDR. Now if an arab is stopped for a speeding ticket its a civil rights issue. Mike

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160471)4/14/2005 2:34:20 PM
From: epicure
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super

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160469)4/14/2005 2:35:29 PM
From: jlallen
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I've said this a few times before....it is rather stupid to keep fighting by the "Marquis of Queensbury Rules" while the other guy is kicking, biting, gouging....etc......I certainly don't advocate beating someone to death, etc....but given the nature of this kind of warfare, the coercive techniques which were approved by the Bush Administration don't seem unreasonable IMO......

J.

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160471)4/14/2005 2:36:44 PM
From: jlallen
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Yep....agree.

J.

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To: epicure who wrote (160474)4/14/2005 2:45:05 PM
From: michael97123
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Impossible for you to answer the question i posed to you, eh?. Again if torture was proved to you to work most of the time, would you then be for it?

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160477)4/14/2005 2:45:23 PM
From: epicure
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no

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160465)4/14/2005 2:45:30 PM
From: cnyndwllr
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Re: "Please spare me the bull. No one gives a damn about the 3000 who died at the trade center. As long as you are safe whereever the hell you live, you could care less. Effete intellecutals discussing how many angels on the head of a pin is what we have here at FADG."

Mike, that sentiment marks you as one of the most dangerous men in America. Dangerous because there are so many of you who feel that way.

In times of fear, anger and grief, those who are able to find the correct path are those who are still calm and intelligent enough to discuss "how many angels [can dance] on the head of a pin."

Because, morals aside, the problems which lead to 9/11 types of incidents are no longer solvable by charging into the tents, killing the squaws and bucks, and dashing the brains of the papooses out againt tree trunks. And that's true no matter how many times good but scared-angry people try to justify barbaric patterns of behavior as necessary for "self defense." Ed

PS. On another subject, Jlallen, isn't it time for you to start up again with your cryptic hints that you're a wounded combat veteran? I'm still waiting for the "attorney action hero" figure to gain in popularity. Too funny. Now why don't you stop poking sticks at smart people and leave them to discuss things intelligently before you make an utter fool of yourself again.

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To: epicure who wrote (160478)4/14/2005 2:49:37 PM
From: michael97123
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honest reply at least

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To: michael97123 who wrote (160480)4/14/2005 2:50:44 PM
From: epicure
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they were all honest
but after your last post to me I really didn't see the point
it was a mistake to read this thread again
mea culpa

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