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To: Keith Feral who wrote (150746)11/3/2004 12:03:22 AM
From: George Statham
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You're right about FL though. 97% reporting and no one is calling it -- the media's a little gun shy.

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To: George Statham who wrote (150747)11/3/2004 12:10:34 AM
From: Keith Feral
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Not gun shy - it is deliberate deception. They want everyone glued to the TV until the bitter end. If they release the numbers from OH and FL, everyone would go to sleep. Worst case scenario, Bush will lose MI, WI, MN, IA, NV, WA, OR. Bush will win everything else except for NH. If memory serves correct, NH split their EV votes last election, so they may do the same again.

Not sure about Hawaii, but Alaska will go with Bush. Bush is doing very well in California.

OOPs- FL just went to Bush and Washington went to Gore 234 - 199.

All Bush has to do is win OH, NM, and CO to carry 272 EV's. Add in Montana for icing on the cake. Alaska will help too.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (150740)11/3/2004 12:20:28 AM
From: Sun Tzu
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>> Even a piss-pot state like Palestine is referred to as "dawlat falestiin" "The State of Palestine". "wilaaya" in the singular is used for a local state, as far as I know. Certainly.

Not quite, though it could be so. "dawlat" means "government of" (as in the official state). "Wilaayat" on the other hand often means "land of" or "country of".

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From: Keith Feral11/3/2004 12:27:32 AM
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Montana and Colorado were just placed on Bush side. NM and OH is all we need. OH is 80% complete with Cuyahoga county 80% complete. Not too much more waiting for this one to be official.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (150749)11/3/2004 12:38:24 AM
From: SBHX
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Wilayat probably means region or state in muslim terminology. For example, Algeria uses Wilayat for its provinces. Sudan also uses Wilayat for 'states'.

countrystudies.us
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

This is one item in the UBL speech the US MSM edited out. In the Al-Jazeera english translation, UBL was clearly warning each state in the US to back off --- a divide and conquer strategy.

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To: SBHX who wrote (150751)11/3/2004 12:47:10 AM
From: Sun Tzu
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As I said, it can mean either of the two meanings. I'd have to listen to the tape in Arabic to tell you.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (150752)11/3/2004 12:50:55 AM
From: SBHX
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It could mean land/region in theory, but even in Saudi Arabia and Yemen (UBL's old haunts), Wilayat means a province/municipality of the country.

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To: SBHX who wrote (150753)11/3/2004 12:59:18 AM
From: Sun Tzu
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Except that OBL likes to be poetic in his speeches. In modern Arabic, often Wilayat means as you have translated it. But using the word in its original meaning is not so strange, depending on the context.

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From: Keith Feral11/3/2004 1:09:20 AM
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Bush picks up Alaska for 3 more votes - 249 and counting. Ohio and New Mexico should be ready shortly. Just regained the lead in Iowa. 88% exit poll status in Ohio. New Mexico is remaining very strong. Tick tock...

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To: Keith Feral who wrote (150755)11/3/2004 1:22:23 AM
From: jlallen
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Two networks have already called OH for GWB....

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