| To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (150103) | 11/1/2004 2:25:53 AM | | From: Neil H | | | | voted for the Green Party candidate. I hope Bush wins, because:
1. Whoever wins the Presidency, is going to be blamed for losing the Iraq war.
We will not lose the Iraq war as long as Bush is elected. With the Jr Senator, we could, but who knows what he would do or stand for. Based on his record and past, I would tend to agree with you that we could lose the war.
Regards
Neil |
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| To: Michael Watkins who wrote (149961) | 11/1/2004 6:44:47 AM | | From: Neocon | | | | | The point is that you changed the subject, in order to accuse me of avoiding the matter, which I have never done. I even posted for your benefit a summary I generally accept, with a couple of comments, so your crowing is inappropriate. I have published similar material on this thread before. Finally, you are mistaken to characterize such maneuvers as being particularly "neocon", as I tried to explain in my posted comments. The premises were "realist", a la Kissinger, not "neoconservative". What is new is the attempt by the neoconservatives to make foreign policy comport more with our ideals as a nation. But, as I also noted in my comments, no one who can accept alliances with Stalin or with Mao under circumstances can automatically condemn tilting to Saddam when strategic concerns seemed to dictate it, so I accept "realist" premises up to a point. To you it is taking Reagan down a peg. To me it is demonstration of why he was a greater president than Carter. |
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| To: Michael Watkins who wrote (149964) | 11/1/2004 6:53:35 AM | | From: Neocon | | | | | As far as I am concerned, good policy prevented greater disaster. That is always one of the problems with foreign policy, though. If we had stopped Hitler early, we might have been blamed for fomenting war when there were diplomatic options. However, we would have prevented WWII, without being able to prove it. |
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| To: jttmab who wrote (149907) | 11/1/2004 7:05:36 AM | | From: Neocon | | | | | Sitting around encampments in rough terrain is terrifically boring. I am sure that the terrorists discuss whatever topics might bemuse them, including the impact of the American election on their interests. Whether they have much information on the subject is another matter. Still, one can pretty reliably get BBC World Service by shortwave radio anywhere on the planet. I presume some among them have sufficient English. Besides, there are presumably news sources, so to speak, in Arabic available by shortwave.......... |
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| To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (150106) | 11/1/2004 8:09:44 AM | | From: Keith Feral | | | | Between Iraq and the US, there is ample firepower to contain the Fallujah terrorist network. Will you blame Bush when another one pops up? Of course not. Will you give Bush any credit when the military wipes out another network of medeival hooligans? Of course not.
If the military says explains the reason for their mission in Fallujah by saying, "If we can't stop the intimidation factor, we can't win.", I interpret that to be the justification why they are going to bomb these geurrillas into oblivion.
We need to find out where these new kidnapping gangs are being trained and hunt them down on their own soil. |
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| To: Neocon who wrote (150156) | 11/1/2004 8:32:40 AM | | From: GST | | | | <What is new is the attempt by the neoconservatives to make foreign policy comport more with our ideals as a nation.>
Neoconservatives hijack the right to claim our ideals as a nation as their own. There is nothing "American" about the war in Iraq -- unless you believe America to be a place where we set the truth aside as often as needed to justify compulsive aggression, a place where ideals are just slogans used to justify our killing. |
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| To: GST who wrote (150161) | 11/1/2004 8:55:38 AM | | From: jlallen | | | | There is nothing "American" about the war in Iraq -- unless you believe America to be a place where we set the truth aside as often as needed to justify compulsive aggression
LOL!!!
Huh???? You gotta be kidding..... |
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| To: GST who wrote (150161) | 11/1/2004 9:07:31 AM | | From: Neocon | | | | | Neoconservatives actually are so wicked that they think that civil liberties and democratic institutions are good for almost everyone, not just those of European origin. They are so deluded that they think it is a good thing to end brutal dictatorships. They are so unAmerican that they think that true multilateralism will not be achieved until member- states in an institution share a commitment to democratic norms..... |
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